I agree with pretty much everything you've said in this comment chain, except the part about everything that's currently alive being sustained by the auffering of some other living thing...the very plants we're speaking about get their energy from a combination of sunlight and air (specifically carbon dioxide). AFAIK, we haven't found that soil reacts to having nutrients extracted, and the sunlight and air are there anyway. So, if any organism can look down on us for our cruelty, it'd be the non-carniverous plants ;)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

To be clear, I didn't say suffering, I said death and I was moreso referring to animals and how we survive.

You can cause death without causing suffering, and also the opposite.