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[–] [email protected] 137 points 10 months ago (128 children)

If you want leftists to vote for dems, despite dems pissing on leftists at every possible chance and yelling at leftists to fall in line, I'll show you how.

  1. Point out that voting will never, ever, ever move the democrat party to the left. You cannot vote the party harder to the left.

  2. Point out that Republicans are going to remain fascists.

  3. Point out that voting third party is a spoiler vote and will result in fascists winning.

  4. Point out that the actual way to move to the left is to unionize and organize at the grassroots level, to apply bottom-up pressure on the top.

The answer is not to pretend that Biden is anything other than a Neoliberal Capitalist. Leftists will correctly point out that Biden is still a lukewarm neoliberal maintaining the status quo, and feel further alienated by being told they should love him anyways. That just encourages voter apathy.

[–] Sunfoil 3 points 10 months ago (50 children)

Voting will move the party left, if people vote for that. But they don't because leftists are a tiny, fringe political minority. That's why Biden is in office and not Bernie.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 10 months ago (21 children)

Can't wait to prove you wrong at the democratic primary oh wait shit we're not really doing one of those for some reason

[–] Sunfoil 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

What do you think would happen that would prove me wrong? A democratic primary is a great way to increase the chances of a Republican victory.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Or it will make it worse. Its not 1976.

[–] Sunfoil 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I guess we'll see. But pretty much everyone agrees that not undermining the unity of the Democratic party in one of the most divisive elections in American history as facism is knocking at the door, is a good idea.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Highlighting the diversity and love for democracy is better. More authority behavior is not what we need.

[–] Sunfoil 0 points 10 months ago

It's not more authoritarian behaviour, it's a very standard precedent that people are arbitrarily getting annoyed about this election cycle. Ideally maybe there would be a democratic primary, but the least authoritarian thing to do right now is keep Trump out of office.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Running Biden is a great way to have a trump victory

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