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[–] pjwestin 40 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

if Leftists had voted for Hillary in 2016 abortion would still be legal.

So, this really isn't true in any meaningful way. People like to make a big deal out of the 12% of Bernie voters who went for Trump, but the majority of them identified as conservatives or centrists, while only 18% identified as liberal or left-leaning. Likewise, a lack of turnout doesn't seem to be the issue; black voter turnout dropped, but not by an unexpected margin, and young voters (who tend to be more left-leaning) had very strong turnout. Finally, you could try to blame leftists who voted third-party, but analysis shows that even if every single Jill Stien voter had gone to Clinton, she still would have needed to win over 50% of Gary Johnson's voters (who were obviously unlikely to consider themselves leftists).

You might be able to get the numbers to work if you say that if every leftist who stayed home OR voted third-party OR went to Trump voted for Clinton she'd have won, but that's incredibly hard to prove and probably relies on some specious assumptions (for example, that every Green Party voter was a disgruntled Democrat). At that point, you're pulling so many different groups together under a single banner that it's basically meaningless. You might as well say if women had voted for Hillary abortion would be legal.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago (3 children)

I voted for Stein in 2016. My state still went to Clinton by 16 points. If I'd lived in a state that was even remotely competitive, I would have held my nose and voted for Clinton.

[–] pjwestin 11 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Same, and the number of people who voted for Stein in swing states was not enough to change the election outcome. I support voting for the lesser of two evils (when your vote actually counts), but I'm tired of people blaming leftists when it's just factually wrong.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

I live in a swing state which went to Hillary by a narrow margin and voted for Hillary even though Stein was a preferable candidate

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

It was very brave of you to admit that you voted for Jill Stein, I mean even if she had no chance to win, she's still a pseudoscience promoter who believes we can use crystals as an alternative to heatlhcare and that vaccines cause autism.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Now do Hillary. When you live in a glass house...

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I didn't vote FOR Hilary, I voted AGAINST Trump, a third party vote doesn't do that

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

I don't back a third party strategy, but a third party vote is almost always a vote against the two parties.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

That was much less clear in 2016 than it is now.