My question is not about defederating from Exploding Heads. I support that well-documented decision by the admins.
However I have noticed the Blocked Instances list at https://lemmy.world/instances growing, and I was wondering if and where the admins are announcing new blocks. (I thought https://lemmy.world/c/lemmyworld but there doesn't appear to be consistency there.)
Specifically I was curious about Lemmit.Online which is now blocked. I searched c/lemmyworld and c/general for announcements or discussions about that instance being blocked, but found nothing.
I think I understand the admins' justification (though I don't agree with it) but would like to know why the "nuclear option" of defederation was chosen.
I believe (but don't know since there was no announcement) that it was a reaction to Lemmit.Online communities appearing too frequently at the top of "All" + "Hot."
Lemmit.Online exists solely to copy posts from requested subreddits. I've found it really helpful to monitor all my small population subreddits, where there is not yet a viable Lemmy community (not just where someone started a community but a useful one with active members and equivalent posts.) In most cases I'm happy with the links being shared, and don't need to click through to Reddit for the discussions.
Since Lemmit.Online communities are just copies of subreddit posts, though, I do understand folks not wanting to see them at the top of "All." But doesn't almost everyone move to "Subscribed" pretty quickly? Or can't it be a teaching moment to understand how to block a community as an individual user if you don't want to see a Lemmit.Online community in "All?" I also think the admins have the ability to block individual communities, so if it's a matter of specific noisy Lemmit.Online communities with established Lemmy equivalents then why not block only those communities rather than the entire instance?
I mean, I don't like meme posts. I ignore them if browsing "All" and I don't subscribe to those communities. If I really, really dislike seeing them in "All" then I have the choice to block those communities. Problem solved for me without removing the ability for anyone in the instance who does like them to see them.
But Lemmy.World defederating Lemmit.Online removes the ability for those of us who found those communities useful to make our own choice. I'd like to better understand the admins' decision to defederate the entire instance, and if we users have the option to appeal (or at least discuss) the decision.
tl;dr
- Do admins post announcements explaining defederations, and where?
- Is there an appeal process? If not, should there be?
Edit: I just found this comment in another post and hope @[email protected] or another admin cares to respond here.
Can't speak to how others are using Lemmy, but I suspect a number of new folks may be trying to rely on the local/all feeds as a way to discover communities to subscribe to. If that's the case, then automated instances/communities like lemmit.online may interfere with that process for those folks as they crowd out communities with non-automated and more regular activity driven by people.
You may block the automated communities, for sure, but it becomes kind of a game of whack-a-mole as more pop up, and admins, so far as I'm aware, can't block individual communities from remote instances. That's one of a number of the unfortunate shortcomings of the current admin/mod tools of Lemmy, if I'm not mistaken, which I imagine is part of why they opted to defederate vs. blocking specific communities.
Another part is that there have been several threads now with some folks more or less requesting blocking/defederating from largely bot-driven instances, and while that obviously isn't representative of the whole of lemmy.world, I'd imagine it influenced the decision.