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FUCK APPLE, but they have so many people that let them ass fuck them they continue to do shits like this
Devils advocate here: it’s their webservice right? They determine who can access it.
If there were legislation that would force them to make it interoperable that would be one thing. But you can’t just demand access to their infrastructure.
You're right - but, as Cory Doctorow points out, Apple owe their success to reverse engineering, the very thing they're busy blocking now.
You're being unnecessarily pedantic. Apple was blocking interoperability and reverse engineering found a solution—and Apple is blocking that solution.
Apple reverse engineered a file format, Beeper reverse engineered a protocol.
Microsoft made several changes to try to keep Apple out, Apple's also made several changes to keep Beeper out, except now everyone's online so it's happening way faster.
It's not exactly the same kind of reverse engineering, but I never said it was. I think you've got a very narrow definition of reverse engineering in your head and you're quibbling over me using it more broadly than you would.
No one is saying what they do is illegal, people just say they are cunts.
Exactly, dick moves don’t need to be illegal to be dick moves. It’s like the constant price/ad increases. You can, but we’re gonna bitch and encourage people to stop supporting you because it’s a dick move
Agreed. Apple provides a free service locked to their hardware. It shouldn’t be surprising that they patched the vulnerabilities and blocked accounts.
Yeah, I'm sure every beeper user knew the details of the iMessage tos and deserves to be locked out of a major selling point of the iMac they purchased because they tried to get access to that feature on an android phone. It's incredibly unlikely anyone getting banned knew it was a possibility.
Just because apple put some bs in a TOS doesn't make it moral or even necessarily legal.
Anyway maybe don't be a shill for making the world worse for consumers even if you were correct with this terrible take.
Lmao, this is the most entitled bullshit excuse for willful ignorance I’ve read since Trump claimed he didn’t know he wasn’t allowed to steal top secret documents because nobody told him espionage was against the law.
And your response is the most arrogant boot licking BS excuse for intellectual analysis I've read since Mike Lindell insisted Trump won the election. Apple is not a mom and pop shop so when they control so much of our means to connect they damn sure should be scrutinized. You may not agree with that sentiment but a growing number of people who understand the issues sure do. This includes a growing number of regulators from around the world. Japan, the European Union and the United States are all in various stages of addressing this issue. Despite your bravado you don't have the moral or intellectual high ground here.
To be fair, you're the one crying and twisting yourself around to defend the worlds biggest company here. What's really funny is when you talk about "the rules" when I just outlined how international law is about to change the rules. It appears it's you who isn't happy with the rules and therefore you who is the massive hypocrite. You don't like it? Well too bad. Start your own country then you lazy cry baby. 😉
“No u!”
Lmao
Which bit of this does Apple own? The beeper app? The iMac? The code that beeper wrote to communicate with Apple's libraries? Apple doesn't own shit here. It's why they're being investigated for breaking beeper multiple times. You can let Daddy Apple hit you harder if you want but consumers don't have to take it. I'm hoping you're a troll because nobody can be this stupid without really really trying.
And no, you can't kick people out from your service at any time without cause. It turns out when you sell somebody a product that relies on services you agree to provide those services, what these people do on their Android phone with another company named beeper is none of your damn business. You can't ban them. It's fucked up. It isn't entitled to expect the products you bought from Apple to continue to work. Despite what you do with your Android phone to say otherwise is insane. So again, I hope your troll or that you come to realize that you have rights as a consumer. Anyway, I'm tapping out on this one. Have a good evening everybody.
Apple owns its servers. Apple owns its services. And when you use them while breaking the rules, they get to kick you off of both. You are not entitled to anything.
It is. You can get all the privacy and features you want on a dozen of other services.
yeah, that’s how they work
boo hoo. that doesn’t entitle you to use someone else’s private property however you like without their permission. it’s baffling how you don’t comprehend that.
I don’t personally care that beeper was doing its thing— I just don’t think anyone has a right to complain for getting banned from the service for violating the TOS. like… you knew what you were doing. it’s ridiculous to think that was ok or that you were entitled to do that. when I pirate a film or tv show, I don’t think I’m entitled to it.
then why were you crying about SMS?
you’re projecting. you can’t even explain what you’re talking about anymore, lol.
lol, and you accuse me of being confused? lmao
I’m not the one who can’t even explain what they’re discussing. lol
lol, now you just broke