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"Imperialism only counts if it's Western, otherwise it's just sparkling liberation"
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Fucking what.
For starters, US press releases should not be your go-to source of factual information. Ever. It's like going to the site of Moscow Kremlin.
Here's a press release from the United Nations still confirming your point of view, but which is way more credible: https://press.un.org/en/2023/sc15395.doc.htm
But even it mentions those things mostly through Ukrainian-sided official statements, which include things like "million Crimean kids deported to Moscow since 2014" (sorry, what?), which destroys a lot of trust in the content of the statement.
Still, some children are taken to Russia, this is true, and a lot can be done differently. I support the idea to take kids from orphanages situated in a literal warzone (don't you?), but I don't like the idea of teaching them all things Russian, although it should be noted they are taken from the Donbass region which has always been heavily dominated by Russian, not Ukrainian, culture and language. Those people are and were already closer to Russia than to Ukraine, they have strong ties to Russia, which is why the separatist movements emerged there in the first place after 2014.
Same are the reasons Crimea has got into Russian occupation with absolute majority of locals cheering and welcoming this (this is true, I've been on the ground at the time) - the region is dominated by ethnic Russians, and they never really had strong cultural ties to Ukraine in the first place.
Again, delivering those kids a more balanced picture would absolutely be amazing. But it is not literal conversion from Ukrainian culture to a Russian one.
Man you can fuck off pretending to "have no side in this game". You are a blatantly obvious Russian apologist, and everyone knows it. Go back to your lemmygrad account and stay there.
Could y'all please stop assuming the worst intentions and also sending me to Lemmygrad, the place I was banned from for having my own head?
I step heavily against the war in Ukraine, and I've been part of the anti-war protests that broke out in 2022. My relatives live in a city shelled by Russian army, they often live without electricity (got a battery pack for astronomical money, those are hot in Ukraine rn for obvious reasons), and at the same time some of the family's men are hiding from Ukrainian drafts that are carried out literally on the streets. I don't want them to die, in their homes or on the battlefield. Neither do they.
And at the same time, I don't think saying "Russia bad boo-hoo not gonna listen to anything" is gonna help anything at all if your goal is to save people's lives. I add important context (here: orphans are taken from warzones of Donbass to safety, by both sides of the conflict) that might be helpful at looking on some of the things from a different perspective.
I'm gonna clash and I do clash with both Ukraine-saint mob and actual Russian apologists (this gets no less violent), and I'm gonna do this again and again, because angry mob is the enemy of the truth. And when we don't do what is actually best, when we fanatically embrace a position (which most of Lemmy appears to do) - we make people suffer way more than they should. On this particular matter, it's kids that suffer.
You can call me Russian apologist. They can call me a Western bootlicker. At the end of the day, I do what I think is right - and if you have something to counter my words with, I'm ready to listen.