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[–] General_Effort 5 points 1 year ago (19 children)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (11 children)

So where does that say I'm wrong?

I said fair use covers news, education, research, criticism, or comment.

for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research

Then I said the next thing considered is whether it is commercial.

In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include— (1) the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes

I didn't cover everything in the law, I just covered the relevant points in a way that could be easily understood and related to the subject at hand.

My point is that the copying AI does isn't really research, but even if it were considered research it is absolutely commercial and thus should not have a fair use exemption.

[–] General_Effort 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

You need to read this carefully. It's a statute. It means exactly what it says.

purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research

Such as means that these are examples. This is not a complete list.

the factors to be considered shall include

All of these factors must be considered. It does not mean that other factors cannot be considered. These are not categories.

A commercial purpose does not rule out a finding of fair use (and vice versa). It must be considered and that is all.

I don't think that Meta's use can be classed as commercial. Presumably, they do hope that the research budget will pay off eventually. But what must be considered is the particular copying in question. Llama 2's license looks to me fairly non-commercial.


Eventually, fair use derives from the constitution. Copyright is a limitation on the freedom of the press (and of speech). But it cannot completely do away with these freedoms. The examples given in the statue here could not be banned completely even if they were not mentioned.

The US Constitution itself allows congress to create copyrights. Or more precisely, it empowers congress to promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts by creating copyrights. That's another limitation.

I've seen a number of far-right commenters admit that this money grab would harm AI development (a "useful Art"). I think mostly these commenters hold some far-right ideology à la Ayn Rand that values property over society, but some may just be selfish and believe that they would personally benefit. Either way, it's straight up anti-constitutional.

[–] wikibot 2 points 1 year ago

Here's the summary for the wikipedia article you mentioned in your comment:

The Copyright Clause (also known as the Intellectual Property Clause, Copyright and Patent Clause, or the Progress Clause) describes an enumerated power listed in the United States Constitution (Article I, Section 8, Clause 8). The clause, which is the basis of copyright and patent laws in the United States, states that: [the United States Congress shall have power] To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries.

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