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Anon notices what they've taken from us (sh.itjust.works)

submitted 10 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

It states that any battery should be removable and replaceable by the user. So this slap on tactic will only work if your device has no internal battery.

I also noticed this is for all batteries. Not just phones, but also cars etc.

EDIT: As any EU law there is a lot of nuance and exceptions. I dig a little further and found the following:

The regulation introduces requirements that say that portable batteries should be easily removable and replaceable by the end-user and LMT batteries and cells in LMT batteries should be easily removable and replaceable by an independent professional.

So what is LMT?

The regulation defines five battery categories depending on how the battery is used:

Portable batteries

Light means of transport (LMT) batteries

Starting, lighting and ignition (SLI) batteries

Industrial batteries

Electric vehicle (EV) batteries

I couldn't find any concrete wording for "easily removed and replaceable". But I sure hope it means no more glue for the portable batteries.

Source: https://www.intertek.com/blog/2023/08-17-battery-regulation/

[–] chiliedogg 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

"Replaceable by user" has a lot of wiggle room. It could still be a 20-minute process that risks damaging other parts and requires specialized tools.

If phones are to keep their water resistance, they almost certainly won't be tooless, and will involve swapping out gaskets. It'll be something you can do to replace a failed battery, not a quick swap because you went camping for the weekend and threw an extra battery in the bag since there are no outlets.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Could you read and understand the information behind the link before replying with nonsense?

FYI: there were waterproof phones before replaceable batteries disappeared. Also the Fairphone for example IPS rated for resistant, so not perfect, but it's possible.

[–] chiliedogg 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

"User replaceable" just means that they have to make it possible, not easy.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

Usually legislation is intentionally vague like that, ultimately courts will decide what that really means in practice.

It will end up being just reasonable. Any person can have a reasonable expectation that they will be able to replace the battery with a reasonable amount of time and effort, with readily available tools, with a reasonable amount of guidance.

If you were a judge would you say that it's reasonable to expect people to be able to replace soldered components on their phones?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

None of that addresses his point that "removable by the user" is not clearly defined. I didn't see any definition for it in the link you posted.

[–] Bytemeister 1 points 10 months ago

Yeah, Apples replacement kit requires like 11k deposit and comes in two 75 pound pelican cases.

[–] aulin 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

What do you mean only if it has no internal battery? This will make it so they can't fuse a battery in place and call it internal. It has to be removable.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That is what I meant?

That it is nice the op has a battery-case for their phone, but that it will not fly under the new law unless the phone has no internal battery.

[–] aulin 1 points 10 months ago

You mean an internal battery in addition to a main removable one? Sorry if I'm being dense.