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West Bank videos show Israeli troops killing teenager and driving over man’s body | The Guardian (www.theguardian.com)

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[–] Eldritch 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Can we talk about Biden once without you making this about Trump?

We literally were. You are the only person who brought Trump up. I'm simply arguing against letting fascists into power. Which is the other option whether it's Trump, Haley, ramoswami or any of the others.

All that does is detract and put less responsibility on Biden to do better.

No, it doesn't. And pray till how does not voting, or telling people not to vote for him. Put pressure on him in any way? It doesn't. He's old staff leaving over this. That puts pressure on him and we should support them in doing that. That's likely the only thing he'll notice and listen to.

No one talked about voting for Trump, no one talked about voting thrid party, why do you feel the need to come with Biden apologia anyway?

I literally said he was a problem and offered. No apologies or excuses. Is this all you have, strawman and demotivational talking points?

What Biden did, basically any of our politicians would have done. Because we don't have a Biden problem, we have an Israel problem. A political problem at large. They own the hearts, minds, and wallets of the majority of politicians in the United States at the federal level.

Calling him genocide. Joe because he did what any of our leaders would have done at the UN. And have done many times over the years. Might I add. Is inaccurate, childish, and only helpful to worse people.

Don't get me wrong. I'm glad that you as a young adult have just discovered what's been going on in DC for at least 50 years. It's just not a Biden problem. And there's no way that we as voters can take pressure on just him and expect him to change. Not when there's an unlimited number of other politicians who will do the exact same thing who aren't being pressured.

Be disappointed in Joe all you want. I make a practice of being disappointed in him at least twice before breakfast every day. But can we stop amplifying, and enabling hyperbolic children who only seek to cut off our nose to spite our face. Then having to stumble around trying to triage the damage we did to ourselves rather than spend time actually organizing to make a real change. Can we maybe break the steady slide to the right? Moved on for the last century or even a few years? Or are we just going to continue being our own worst enemy?

[–] agitatedpotato 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

You brought up the alternative, just because you didn't say his name doesn't mean it wasn't you. Low effort cop out. Also I've been voting for decades now so stop with this patronizing young shit. Im probably older than you.

[–] Eldritch -3 points 10 months ago

The cop out is yours. As I said, I realize your awareness of politics doesn't extend back much. Trump is no worse than Bush. (You know the guy that hurriedly evacuated the family of the man whom they funded and enabled to commit the worst terrorist attack in the United States history out of the country. When the attack happened.) Or bush's father. Or Reagan. (You know, the guy who broke the unions sold weapons to Iran and violation of our own embargo. Funding terrorists and South America and all over the globe. Including that Osama guy that did that attack at the world trade center. Remember that? ) All the damage Trump accomplished was because of Republicans and their media apparatus that they've spent the last 60 to 70 years building. Trump is an embarrassing clown. But then so was Bush. Republicans, fascists are the real threat.

If you're older than me, you should know better than this. But I doubt very much that you're older than me. There are people in their 60s. Who do you use Lemmy but they are quite rare.

[–] Eldritch -4 points 10 months ago

Also a quick addendum. Me referring to you as being young and an experienced is not coming from a place of patronization. That you feel that it is probably speaks more to how apt it is than anything.

I don't know you from Adam. That you might be young, enthusiastic yet the inexperienced. Is me simply trying to put the best construction on the situation. I would rather think that than that you are older and still ignorant. That is all.