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This is the place for discussing the potential collapse of modern civilization and the environment.

Collapse, in this context, refers to the significant loss of an established level or complexity towards a much simpler state. It can occur differently within many areas, orderly or chaotically, and be willing or unwilling. It does not necessarily imply human extinction or a singular, global event. Although, the longer the duration, the more it resembles a ‘decline’ instead of collapse.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Good enough absolutely can be the enemy of perfect. For example if you care about the environment getting rid of cars is one of the most important things that can be done. Electric cars just make it harder for cars to be eliminated.

[–] Rachelhazideas 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That's black and white thinking and a common pitfall of internet ideologies that aren't actionable.

If you want people to get rid of cars, you first need better zoning laws, higher density living, more mixed use development, accessible public transit, and better cycling lanes and bike parking, and more.

Saying 'just get rid of cars' isn't grounded in the reality of how inaccessible places are in countries with car dependency and shit urban planning.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

It's an example of good being the enemy of perfect. Replacing all the cars on the road with tesla's isn't ever going to get rid of cars. In fact it's going to continue to discourage any of the societal changes required to reduce car dependency. So with electric cars we still get all the shit car-dependency gave to us. So our zoning laws will still be fucked because people are encouraged to buy new cars. We have lower density living because people need to park (and charge) their electric cars. New neighbors are still built with transit via electric cars as the primary transit option. Public Transit is never developed because now more money has to be spent on roads to support the 2-3x heavier electric cars.

There is no world where electric cars decrease car-dependency.