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The number of Confederate apologists in this thread is frankly insane. "Oh no! Someone is making jokes about pissing on the graves of traitors and slavers! What if there were some innocent people in there?? I mean, I realize that it's going to be really difficult to find someone who was so insanely stupid to not be aware that they were fighting for slavers and traitors, but what if they exist???!?! Are you going to piss on their grave, too!!!???!"
No, I think it's recognition that whatever crimes you think they've done, they've paid for it already in a permanent way. So joking about pissing on their graves (160 years later ffs) is ill taste. Feel free to smear shit or graffiti over confederate statues that seek to glorify the cause rather than memorialize the dead though since that is not the same thing.
I also think most common soldiers in the confederate army fought for no higher reason than they were drafted and had little choice; or they signed up to defend their state against an existential threat. If you look at recruitment posters of the time, they're talking of northern invaders raping and pillaging their women, property and lands.
Have they, though? Death isn't exactly unique. Regardless of how good or bad a person you are, everybody has death as their final fate. So dying for a shitty cause isn't exactly punishment, considering that people who were in favor of a good cause still met the same fate. Death isn't a punishment for being a shitty person, it's just a birthright.
Ok, but you know who else was drafted and had little choice? The people who defected. Some of those same people worked to further the cause of abolition by operating the underground railroad. Some of them wound up in prison, and some of them were hanged. I don't have any sympathy whatsoever for someone who lacked the courage or morality to fight against evil. And I have even less sympathy for someone stupid enough to fall for basic bitch propaganda like what you described.
Death might not be unique, but people's lives are. Their lives were taken from them. That was the price they paid
My point is that everybody pays that price. They paid no more than every other person who has ever existed. Very few people actually want to die, but everybody eventually does. Those men received the same fate as the people they were fighting against. The main difference is that the world became slightly better for everybody else with every single one of them that died.
I'll leave you be, now that I realized most of the ignorant comments in this thread are coming from you. We probably won't get any good conversation going.
It may make life a little more confusing, but you might enjoy not seeing everything so black and white
I think you probably don't know what the word "ignorant" means. But it sounds good, and you have nothing to reply with, so might as well lob that one out. That'll show me!
Oh, I'm sorry, you're right. Slavery is MOSTLY bad, but you know, sometimes it was good! Or something equally stupid.
You go directly to an single point to vindicate a strong general stance. Go piss on there graves, who cares... They are dead and gone.
But we all deserve our graves pissed on then, if you can simplify shit down to good and evil applied to demographics so easily.
"A single point"? My dude... fighting and dying in the cause of more slavery is one hell of a point. And what I'm wondering is why do you keep attempting to minimize that? Like it's some trifle, like: "Oh, those crazy southerners! They had this weird fashion choice at the time where they tortured and raped people and forced them to work for no pay. So quirky!"
Are you telling me that you own slaves? 'Cause if you own slaves, then yes. I hope that when you die, an entire conga line of people take turns pissing on your grave.
Oh, you don't own slaves? Then what in the blue fuck are you trying unsuccessfully to say?
That people under the age who were required to serve in a war under the penalty of death arent all evil, and have often been documented to purposely not actually fight.
But celebrate pissing on them kids grave. It'll happen to all of us anyway.
I'm curious as to what percentage you think that group represents of the whole number of graves in that cemetery. I'm probably going to regret doing this, but I'm going to give you a massive benefit of the doubt here, and assume that for some reason, you think that a large percentage of those graves belong to children who were forced into service and who went weeping to the front line where their chests were subsequently pierced with minié balls. And here's why I'm going to assume that:
If you believe that a large percentage falls into that category, then you are merely woefully misinformed, and probably a supreme optimist at heart. Ignorance isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it is bad etiquette to argue an incorrect point so vehemently when it's incredibly easy to verify the actual truth. So the worst that I could say about you is that you have your heart in the right place, but your online etiquette could use some attention.
However, if you don't believe that, if you rightly believe that the group you're referring to represents a miniscule portion of the graves in that cemetery, well then. I suppose that means that you are intentionally being obtuse about a point in an attempt to defend the people who fought and died on behalf of slavers. And that doesn't say very many kind things about your character.
So. Since I'm giving you a massive benefit of the doubt, here's some demographic information about the confederate army:
https://www.battlefields.org/learn/articles/who-fought
My best guess is that this cemetery isn't filled to the brim with buglers and drummer boys.
Honestly, thet website doesnt say much. But what I gathered was
Young, dumb as fuck, non-slave owning men fought a war under the threat of death for desertation or cowardice. Those are the truly evil ones.
Hey - I acknowledge that the foot soldiers of evil aren't usually as evil as the people in charge. I even said as much in an earlier comment in this thread. But they still fought for an evil cause. Their rich internal lives don't matter a whit to the people they hurt. So yeah. I'm not going to be upset in the slightest at someone pissing on their graves. They've earned the derision with their actions.
And we all deserve our graves pissed out for what our "leaders" have done, and who we've given money to.
I guess in the end, it doesnt matter. We'll be dead, all had shit leaders, and our graves will get pissed on eventually.
You keep trying to put really stupid words into my mouth, and it's getting grating. Confederate soldiers don't deserve to have their graves pissed on because a bunch of rich men thought it'd be cool to become traitors and set up their own government based on horrible principles. They don't deserve to be pissed on because they occasionally purchased sugar made at a plantation in Jamaica. They deserve to have their graves pissed on because they fought on behalf of slavery.
I've been very clear about my position this entire time. I have no idea why you keep trying to weasel-word me into some wishy-washy nonsense about how all people are bad or something.
And they paid it defending slavery...
Do you know anything about those specific people? Or anything about the grave site besides this post?
Like, I dont care... Piss on all the graves you want. It means nothing to anyone but the pisser truthfully. But shits just silly ignorance to hate full demographics to the point to show the highest form of symbolic disrepect to unknown people and stories.
Cared enough to reply lol