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The environmental costs of EV batteries that politicians don't tend to talk about (www.cbc.ca)
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Along with the massive recent manufacturing investments in electric vehicle (EV) technology and talks of a greener, decarbonized future, there are some not-so-green problems.

In its latest New Energy Finance report, Bloomberg News predicts there will be some 730 million EVs on the road by 2040. The year before, Bloomberg predicted half of all U.S. vehicle sales would be battery electric by 2030.

In Canada, too, there's talk of a big economic boost with the transition to EVs — including 250,000 jobs and $48 billion a year added to the nation's economy through the creation of a domestic supply chain.

Governments have already invested tens of billions into two EV battery manufacturing plants in southwestern Ontario. However, they come with the environmental dilemma of what to do with the millions of EV batteries when they reach the end of their life.

"The rules are non-existent," said Mark Winfield, a professor at York University in Toronto and co-chair of the school's Sustainable Energy Initiative. "There is nothing as we talk to agencies on both sides of the border, the federal, provincial, state levels.

"In the case of Ontario, the answer was actually that we have no intention of doing anything about this."

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[–] Nudding 0 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Now do public transit

[–] shawwnzy 3 points 10 months ago

Exactly, instead of comparing EVs to ICEVs we should compare them to public transit.

If every dollar spent on EVs was being put into LRTs and regional rail where would we be?

Yeah we need cars in rural areas, but that's not where most people live.

[–] Yaztromo 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It’s not an either-or situation; we’ll always need a mix of transit capabilities.

Besides which, transit has many of the same issues, and benefits from the same technologies. We need to remove diesel and gas busses, trams, and trains from the roads as well, often using much the same technologies the anti-EV crowd puts down passenger EVs for.

Everything I stated for why EVs are better for the environment goes for electric driven public transit too.

[–] Nudding 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Actually, it very much is an either or situation. Either we drastically reduce our consumption, and start using public transportation, or we pollute ourselves to death trying to give every human a car.

[–] Yaztromo 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You can’t have public transportation that takes everyone everywhere they need (or want) to be. Ever order food delivery? You can’t do that by bus or train. Would you expect the Presidential motorcade to switch to getting on a subway? Do you expect every plumber, electrician, landscaper, and handyman who needs a van or truck to haul their equipment from home to home to do repairs just bring 10 guys on the bus with them?

We’ll still need passenger vehicles, full stop. Should we design cities and transit so that we need less of them? Sure — but it’s impossible to replace all of them, as public-option transport just can’t do everything we use passenger vehicles for today. Public transit is only about moving people, but sometimes those people need to drag equipment around with them, or need additional security, or have need to go somewhere where dedicated transit options aren’t financially viable — and for those cases, we still need non-polluting passenger vehicles.

[–] Nudding 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I predict neither will happen.

[–] Yaztromo 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Well, non-polluting passenger vehicles are happening, and here in Canada by 2035 all passenger vehicles sold will (at a minimum) need to be PHEVs that can travel up to 80km on a single battery charge.

Unless of course idiot voters bring in a Conservative government, and they remove the certainty the Liberal government has given automakers around EV sales in Canada.

[–] Nudding 0 points 10 months ago

I don't have high hopes for the future. We are going to emit a fuck ton of CO2 to extract all the rare earth minerals, in order to replace the insane fleet of passenger vehicles in the world, and in doing so, lock in our fate.

Other than a socialist wave that destroys our culture of consumerism and capitalism, I don't see us pulling out of the nose dive.

[–] FireRetardant -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

EVs really just look like greenwashing car centric design when compared to transit.

[–] Nudding -1 points 10 months ago

That's why our society is fucked and we deserve to crumble. Instead of real solutions, they just focused to something else they can sell us..