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[–] [email protected] 46 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Does anyone know the bs reasons they gave to ban trans women? I don't understand how one of the least by gender divisible games pulled that off.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

I suspect that even they know that this is their own projected insecurities and that they don’t have any real justification. Better question: why do we separate players by sex in chess? Why does that matter? Just make one group and call it done.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 9 months ago

FIDE has two competitive circuits - the open circuit where men and women (cis or trans) can compete, and the women's circuit. Players can (and commonly do) compete in both circuits. Ultimately the goal of the women's circuit is to boost recruitment of female players and make competitive chess less of a boys' club. Opinions are divided on whether it's the most effective method.
The recent decision affects AMAB people who want to play in the women's circuit, but does not bar them from the open circuit.

It's a pretty shit decision as far as I can see, but it's good to make judgments on the facts.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago (2 children)

why do we separate players by sex in chess? Why does that matter?

It mostly boils down to male fragility
https://theconversation.com/whats-behind-the-gender-imbalance-in-top-level-chess-150637

[–] cynar 6 points 9 months ago

Out of curiosity, how did you get male fragility from that?

Reading through it there were several effects mentioned.

  • Testosterone makes men more likely to push to the highest level.

  • Women are discouraged from playing chess, and so less are set on a course to be amongst the best.

  • Women perform worse when they know they are competing against a man (thought to be a self fulfilling prophecy from stereotypes). Men don't seem affected by this.

None of those seem to be male fragility.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

One reason I’ve heard that sports divide into groups by gender is that men are afraid they’ll get beaten by women. It happened in early baseball IIRC. (source: hazy memory. Disclaimer: I am male)

[–] [email protected] 22 points 9 months ago (3 children)

FIDE probably thinks women are dumber than men. I don't see any other reason

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago (1 children)

That's basically what they said. They also claimed that women have less stamina than men, so aren't up to the long games of chess that men play.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Bingo, people are going to make some argument about how it's because they do it to offer women fair opportunities but the real answer is that they think women are stupid or at the very least that men are smarter, realistically they think both.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

You’re probably right.

[–] Mango 1 points 9 months ago

Women's chess is actually separate. That itself is the stupidity.