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Israel is starving the population of 2.3 million. It would take some serious mental gymnastics to blame Hamas for that.
Zionism is all about mental gymnastics TBF
Hamas is the official government and controls the army/militants of Gaza, they intentionally massacred almost a thousand civilians in Israel, and then expect them not to close off the border? It was their fucking choice that the border got slammed shut.
On top of Israel, Egypt could let as much aid in as they want through the Rafa crossing, but they're not allowing much through because they agree with Israel on the current policy. This isn't just Israel being mean.
There aren't massive mental gymnastics happening here, this is literally what large world governments are supporting right now. Civilians in these countries are upset at the humanitarian costs, but they simply don't understand the complexity of the situation.
Iran could stop smuggling weapons to Hamas and end this whole thing very quickly. That's the point though, Iran doesn't give a shit about Palestinians, they're just using them as a pawn to hurt Israel. Hamas' leaders don't even live in Gaza, they're calling the shots from nearby countries where they're nice and safe and fed.
Imagine your neighbour started a fight and as a result someone cut off all the food and water to your whole area and didn't let you leave to get some. Is it "your fucking choice" to starve? Give me a break.
But fair enough, if what you say is accurate I will add Egypt to the "killing people for no reason" list. They are quite some way behind Israel, but still.
If 65% of my neighbourhood supported that neighbour in attacking, we'd call that democracy.
Hamas has popular support for attacking Israel in gaza.
Uh huh
Don't take my word for it... https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/poll-shows-palestinians-back-oct-7-attack-israel-support-hamas-rises-2023-12-14/
This is literally a "country" who has their own government and army attacking another country with democratic support from their people and then getting mad when that country hits them back harder.
What the fuck do you expect Israel to do? Turn the other cheek?
In this poll on October 6th (before any "rally around the flag" effect) this poll https://www.foreignaffairs.com/israel/what-palestinians-really-think-hamas?check_logged_in=1&utm_medium=promo_email&utm_source=lo_flows&utm_campaign=registered_user_welcome&utm_term=email_1&utm_content=20231223 found that only 24% would vote for Hamas. And have no trust in the government.
Your poll also only shows 52% support among Gazans even with the indiscriminate killing going on at the time.
The last election was in 2006, before about half of all Gazans were even alive.
And "hits them back harder." If you think this is an accurate depiction of what's going on then you need help bro. They have killed 20 THOUSAND people.
Question: is an innocent Israeli life worth more than an innocent Palestinian life?
Edit: "should Israel turn the other cheek?" Obviously fucking not. This is such a disingenuous question. nobody is saying that. There are so many options between "harder daddy hamas" and doing a fucking genocide it isn't even funny. How about actually targeting Hamas and not innocents? Just one idea of MANY.
They can't, Hamas is literally using human shields.
The IDF blew up two houses today, two... and killed 90 people including Palestinian civilians, UN workers, Hamas militants, and Israeli hostages. All inside TWO fucking houses. How the fuck are you supposed to avoid innocents when they're literally eating dinner at the same table?
As the saying goes, if you have 11 people and a Nazi eating dinner together, you have 12 Nazis.
So you're just going to ignore all of the stuff I sent you about Gazans' views of Hamas? Why exactly should anyone talk to you again?
Like they were in al shifa hospital? 🤣
If my neighbor killed someone then started a fight, if I had the power to remove them and then didn't, I would expect I might be hurt from collateral damage.
It would be more akin to Canada sending missiles into the US approved by the government and as a Canadian not expecting that the US would respond back.
Kids, over half the area are kids. Regardless what some adults did, you don’t bomb kids. It’s not that hard to say.
You know someone's full of shit when they pull out gems like this. The clownification of arguments at its peak.
Not only is it a bogus argument, the UN (ie "large world governments") has been trying to curb the mistreatment of Palestine by Israel for decades which is routinely vetoed by the US and only the US. The term "large world governments" makes no sense other than trying to give weight to your bogus argument. And to top it off, and as is tradition these days, let's shove in the word "literally" in a desperate attempt to validate whatever bullshit comes after it.
I wouldn't dream of uttering the term "mental gymnastics" after what you just shat out, because what you're spewing is nothing short of revisionist.
Israel installed a system of apartheid, kept it going for decades, deprived an entire people of their dignity, routinely bombed them, kidnapped and tortured their children, first aid workers, journalists, while openly talking about wanting to drive the complete existence of Palestine into the sea, and then when a desperate animal that was backed into a corner snaps and does something out of desperation, your moronic reaction is "see what they did, how could they!". Well son, they could because they were given no other option, but you leave that entire history out of your equation either out of sheer ignorance or because you realize it would completely undermine your rhetoric.
There's no explanation for the kind of moronic argument you're trying put together here, other than you being completely oblivious to what on earth is going on there. I'd suggest you stop watching whatever TV station you're glued to, because it sounds like you get your wisdom from the love child of Carlson Tucker and Bill O'Reilly.
The UN is NOT large world governments. It's an international body with no authority to enforce anything. The US, UK, Canada, Most of Western Europe and others are all still supporting Israel.
You might have forgotten that Israel got attacked by 5 Arab countries simultaneously the day after they declared Independence in 1948. The Arabs were pissed when the UN tried to make it a two state zone, and immediately started attacking Israel from inside and outside.
No shit it installed a system of apartheid after that. You talk about pressuring a group and not expecting violence. This didn't START with Israel. The Jewish people have been oppressed in that region for literally a couple thousand years. The ottomans literally had a second set of laws for them that made them second class citizens, and there were multiple massacres/attacks under their rule.
You seem to only focus on what's happened recently, ignoring entirely how we got here in the first place.
You're also justifying the killing of Israeli civilians by Palestinians as "they were given no other option." I'm 100% sure there were options other than mass murder to protest their mistreatment. There's a definition for what Hamas did, it's called Terrorism.