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[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

financial equality is so much more important than a living planet /s

[–] Iceblade02 16 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

I know you put a /s in there, but that's actually spot on. It's very difficult to convince people to give a damn about nature if they don't have decent food, shelter and a hopeful future for their children.

e: spelling

[–] dlatch 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Unfortunately, a healthy nature is required to keep all those, it's just not quite as visible or explicit as a bag of money.

What is not required is billions of profit going in the pockets of a few extremely rich investors though, that money could easily be used for improvements to our planet without impacting the livelihoods of anyone.

[–] Iceblade02 -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yes, and no. I'm quite convinced that humanity can make a decent living for itself (i.e, more pleasant than that of the average current day human) even if we fuck up nature beyond our current day recognition. It's worth considering that more than half of humanity lives in urban environments, and a majority of land area is cultivated in some way.

However, that doesn't mean that we shouldn't worry, or shouldn't try.

Earth is our heritage, and what we make of it will be the legacy that future humans remember the 21st century by. I'd much rather have our great-great grandkids frolicking in the grass under a pearl blue sky than in concrete caves to protect them from neverending storms and scorching deserts.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

I don't know. I rather doubt our bodies can evolve and adapt to a new environment before we die out. At the very least, even if we do take to the stars, whatever survives will have evolved to something new

[–] [email protected] -5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

See I have the same sentiment, yet i get downvoted. The only people screaming are the ones already in good situations.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

wealth redistribution =/= unlimited growth

[–] [email protected] -2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Can we start with the wealth of the 1st world and give it to everyone else? Im just a poor Guatemalan man working 2 jobs to sustain my family of 8. I will spend your money buying things I dont need just as much as you but ill be happy to take your wealth.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

I'm all for seeing what that looks like. I promise I have little more than you. I'm interested in stripping away excess profits and seeing what level of luxury the world gets to enjoy in an egalitarian economy.