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Discussion of climate, how it is changing, activism around that, the politics, and the energy systems change we need in order to stabilize things.

As a starting point, the burning of fossil fuels, and to a lesser extent deforestation and release of methane are responsible for the warming in recent decades: Graph of temperature as observed with significant warming, and simulated without added greenhouse gases and other anthropogentic changes, which shows no significant warming

How much each change to the atmosphere has warmed the world: IPCC AR6 Figure 2 - Thee bar charts: first chart: how much each gas has warmed the world.  About 1C of total warming.  Second chart:  about 1.5C of total warming from well-mixed greenhouse gases, offset by 0.4C of cooling from aerosols and negligible influence from changes to solar output, volcanoes, and internal variability.  Third chart: about 1.25C of warming from CO2, 0.5C from methane, and a bunch more in small quantities from other gases.  About 0.5C of cooling with large error bars from SO2.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Young people have more incentive to do something because they have many more years to live.

Old men in politics don't care because they are only thinking about the next five years of good life they have left.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

They're often thinking about "what will my legacy be" or "how will I be remembered" or "what will history say about me"

The answer to those kinds of thoughts can involve deciding to be a good ancestor.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I firmly believe that they are either not thinking about any of that ... or that they just don't have their mental faculties any more to even be bothered. All they seem to understand is money, wealth and power at all cost.

Otherwise, if someone or a group of people were thinking about their legacy or 'how they will be remembered' ... they would have started an unbelievable amount of work to get things done by now. Instead, they are all methodically trying to do things while saving their bank accounts and the bank accounts of their wealthy friends while doing it.

They won't be remembered for trying ... they'll be remembered for risking the future of humanity in order to save a bit of their wealth and privilege. If we have historians in the distant future, they'll think of this same time period in the same way we look back at the Babylonians and Sumerians who praised and worshipped unseen Gods and thought they would live forever. Our modern religion and God are finance and money and like our ancient ancestors ... we're willing to sacrifice ourselves for our beliefs because we honestly believe that our Gods are worth more than all of humanity.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (3 children)

The problem isn't that nobody is trying; it's that the fossil fuels industry has more power still, so what we've been able to pull off so far isn't sufficient.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

For real, I went to protests, made signs, mailed an ungodly amount of flyers, donated and voted for changes. Barely made a difference for the years I put in, massively uphill and rigged battle. They just started and are bitching us adults aren't doing anything, we are tired from constantly fighting with little to show for it and are more concerned with paying rent next week bc we have actual responsibilities and obligations as adults ontop of everything else.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

The only way you can counterbalance that is by getting involved. Phonebank with an activist group. Donate to a campaign. Use whatever access you can get to push the case for doing the right thing. Create a virtuous cycle of people whose job depends on decarbonization, who then help elect candidates who want to help get off fossil fuels.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

I'm not sure, but I think that is the point they were making. The fossil fuels industry isn't some machine or an alien being, but a collection of humans, each of whom is very deliberately choosing wealth and power over correct behaviour. Likewise the politicians who deliberately choose to let them or, worse, help them get away with it. And don't get me started on the economists who treat corporations as machines or aliens who must be appeased rather than harnessed to the benefit of society.

The general public has known for at least 20 years what is necessary. The political class has known for at least 40 years. Industry has known for at least 50 and probably 60 years. Depending on how you read the research, scientists have known for as long as 150 years.

Actually, if you consider carbon emissions as just another case of dumping waste into the environment in the naive hope that nature will take care of it, everybody from all classes and sectors has known what was needed since at least the creation of the first national park designed to protect nature from destruction.