this post was submitted on 17 Dec 2023
240 points (95.8% liked)

World News

39596 readers
1732 users here now

A community for discussing events around the World

Rules:

Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.


Lemmy World Partners

News [email protected]

Politics [email protected]

World Politics [email protected]


Recommendations

For Firefox users, there is media bias / propaganda / fact check plugin.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/media-bias-fact-check/

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Who's concerned then? A minority of government jobs, plenty of opportunities for people who want to display a religious sign and worst case there's the private sector if they truly don't agree.

Is it any different from asking the people who have the exact same jobs from not displaying their political allegiance? Both religion and freedom of expression are protected by the Canadian Charter, don't forget that.

[–] dlpkl 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So there's an imaginary line in the sand that you've drawn regarding how many jobs are allowed to be denied to minorities? Ever heard of the slippery slope argument?

I thank you for the kind reminder of the existence of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. I wonder if the Quebec legislators have ever read it. Have you? Maybe your rights are only protected when you're off the clock eh?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Again, what about political signs? No one complains about that... Weird right?

Quebec made the decision 60 years ago to get religion out of its institutions, only the Catholic Church was concerned at the time but today is a different reality and the Révolution Tranquille is a big part of what makes Quebec what it is today. I don't know why someone that's religious to the point that they wouldn't accept to separate their private religious life from their job would want to represent a laïc government just like I don't understand why an atheist would want to go work for the government in a theocracy.

[–] dlpkl -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So your argument is basically that since someone's rights aren't respected at a workplace, they shouldn't work there. Is this a mask off moment or are you starting to realize what the CAQ had intended with Bill 21 all along?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We put limits to people's rights at work all the time and for multiple reasons, wearing a uniform being one of them.

If your religion is so important to you that you can't make the difference between your willingness to display it and your professional obligations when you represent a laïc State and you're in a position of authority (because that's the only people affected by Bill 21), then maybe you should reconsider your willingness to work for said government in that position because clearly you're not in the right place.

It's also very funny that you're basically saying it's ok for a religion/community to force people to wear certain clothes but it's not ok for the State to tell the same people not to wear them. If they were so free to do what they want then removing a religious sign for 8h a day shouldn't be an issue, shouldn't it?

[–] dlpkl 1 points 1 year ago

Please point out which rights you're being denied. I dare you. I promise you that there is not a SINGLE right that is infringed upon. A dress code is not protected in the Canadian constitution, however a religion that proscribes religious garb IS protected.

These people you are taking about were born in Canada, and expect to be protected by Canadian law. It's not fair to them that they are now being told to whip into line for a white protectionist government or get out when they were literally exercising their Canadian rights. You can go and argue the rhetoric with the individuals that took those jobs, I really don't care. But you cannot strip away the livelihood of an entire group of Canadians and then go, "Well, what did you expect?!" The rest of the world sees through that bullshit.