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[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago (15 children)

Im fairly certain that what I'm about to say will be disliked by ketamine users and abstainers.

Ketamine is garbage at everything besides temporarily lobotomizing people. It works for it's many uses because it makes the user stupid. It's often given to suicidal people, not because it's a miracle drug, but because it incapacitates them in a safe manner.

That said, it's great at making people too stupid to be able to hurt themselves, most of the time. It's great at numbing psychological pain because the user will be too stupid to conceptualize their own thoughts or realize where they are physically.

It's also hard on the urinary system and has a fleeting high.

If you like ketamine then by all means, you do you. If you may be interested in trying ketamine, become a zombie safely, just don't expect it to cure your depression, woes, or any of your other problems.

[–] StorminNorman 52 points 11 months ago (28 children)

Yeah, I'm gonna take the peer reviewed studies results that show that ketamine is quite effective with relieving drug resistant depression over this post of yours...

[–] [email protected] 16 points 11 months ago

https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2023/10/ketamine.html

Yeah but I don’t like when peoole see one study and then claim that it’s conclusive. The consensus is that there may there might be something to it being useful for depression, and it should be studied further. No high confidence.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

It is useful in creating a sense of disassociation of self - the same thing that meditation does. It even affects the same regions of the brain as meditation. When used carefully, with therapeutic intent, it can be an effective treatment for depression.

Recreational use is sketchy, definitely. But the science is there for using it therapeutically.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

But your assessment of its efficacy is not contradictory to DontHavePants observation. They didn't say it wasn't effective.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Or, get this, everyone experiences drugs differently and your bad anecdote is irrelevant next to the mountains of evidence and peer reviewed studies.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago

Once again, I haven't disputed or attempted to refute any of these "mountains of evidence."

[–] butterflyattack 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

I would add to this that anyone doing ketamine should not do it in the bath, which seems to be what happened here. The same happened to someone I knew, she drowned in the tub.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Any drug close water where you can drown is a recipe for disaster. Someone I knew pop an acid tab at the beach and drown itself.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Yeah, "don't k-hole in the bathtub" seems like pretty good (and hopefully obvious) advice. This seems more like user error than the acute effects of the drug itself.

He didn't die from overdosing on ketamine, because that's nearly impossible.

He drowned.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (12 children)

I judge my desire to try drugs by how people act when they’re on them. Do they look like they’re having fun at least? Two drugs I’ve never had an interest in:

Ketamine

Nitrous

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That's unfortunate. The effects of many drugs can be entirely mental rather than visual, leaving the person looking like they're just laying down with their eyes closed, or staring into space.

Particularly, ketamine, as a dissociative, at higher doses, is entirely in your mind. What a person in that state looks like from the outside is zero indication of what they are experiencing.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

It’s not unfortunate. To me drugs are entirely unnecessary to begin with. And if I choose to use them it’s to enhance an activity, not to replace an activity or be an activity on its own. I’ll be fine.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Well that's not what we were talking about though, was it? We were talking about you judging people based on how they may look while under the influence. That's ignorant.

Also, I find this to be amusing:

To me drugs are entirely unnecessary

Uh huh, so I guess antibiotics are off the table? I sure hope you don't die from a minor infection. Hope you never get diabetes or high blood pressure. No cough medicine or allergy medicine either, that's annoying. I hope you don't have any serious allergies, because EpiPens sure as shit count as "drugs".

[–] scottywh 2 points 11 months ago

Nitrous is great

[–] Dozzi92 2 points 11 months ago

To each their own for sure, but that right there is a combination for some very strange times. Sometimes fun is becoming part of the couch and traveling into outer space. They're definitely not all get up and dance and have fun, though.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

To expand on the urinary issues ketamine causes, the problem is that ketamine will recrystallize inside your blatter and ketamine crystals can be pretty sharp.

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