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Interesting how we've gone from "expecting nudity from women is sexist" to "NOT expecting nudity from women is sexist".
I don't think that's the message at all. It's disproportionately punishing women for nudity that is sexist.
Unless the women are disproportionately engaging in nudity.
That's what's hard to gage. Likely due to what we consider nude on a woman isn't on a man. A shirtless man is completely acceptable, but a woman isn't. The discrepancy is cultural and the culture is discriminatory. This isn't going to change anytime soon.
The sensible thing would be to accept that what we consider appropriate for a man isn't for a woman. But this will always be pointed out as sexist. You could ban all nudity except arms, neck and knees down. But this will be criticised as excessive.
You could also allow all nudity as long as the context isn't sexual. However, twitch has a large market for sexual content particularly from people who may be limited from accessing that content like minors. So theres a large finical incentive for anyone to try to exploit allowed nudity.
Twitch likely want and encourage some of this content, as it drives engagement and thus profit. However, they want to minimise the legal/moral/reputation issues associated with delivering this content.
You can make the argument that toplessness on men is more predatory since it's so casually accepted and thus male body's are more sexually exploited. In my younger in shape days lots of women were turned on by my shirtless torso
At the end of the day its advertisers who will decide what os acceptable and a lot of brands don't want to deal woth nudity. The majority don't want to have to have a nuanced review of the content and on a love stream it be impossible to do so anyway .
Also all nudity is sexual in nature. A young heterosexual male going through puberty seeing a vagina would be aroused just as much as a homosexual boy seeing a penis. Or a hetero female seeing a penis vs a homosexual female seeing a vagina.
There are plenty of cam sites and porn sites these women can go to of they want to stream nudity. I am sire someone can create a middle ground between game streaming and women top less begging for donations. It's just that the top less site would only have donations and no advertising.
How in gods green earth did you mangle that point out of this story
Well, in my experience from using Twitch it’s predominantly female streamers who do these kind of streams, so if there’s a policy against it, it would make sense that it would affect mostly women. That’s not sexist in and of itself.
But when you say that the policy is sexist because it affects mostly women, it implies that its unfair not to expect women to engage in nudity, doesn’t it.
You would have a point, except twitch very clearly had double standards of treatment for male and female streamers prior to this.
No, no it really doesnt. Not even a little bit.
If thats what it implies to you, I need you to call up your high school lit teacher and apologize for failing to learn a single thing in their classroom.
And then maybe invest in some picture books
Ah yes, calling my argument stupid is certainly going to convince me that I’m wrong. /s
I taught college stats, you dimwit. Perhaps you should invest in a math book. You know, with formulas and stuff. But you probably failed math since 9th grade.
You dont seem the type to be capable of realizing when youre wrong.
As evidenced by the fact you think a math degree makes you an expert in what is and isnt sexist? I bet you think being a lecture hall baby sitter also makes you president material, but thats not the case either.
Like. Whats that flex mean here? Ive got functional degrees in biology and ecology, why would that matter either?
Telling women what they can, can't, must, or mustn't wear is the sexist part