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[–] [email protected] -4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Im all for charging more taxes on high emissions goods, but allowing it to be a fuck you to the consumer that has to engage with capitalism and not the corpos who dont have to offer high emissions goods, kind of blurs the whole "Earth is dying" conundrum we're in.

Right, its my fault for buying gas for my car that I need to go to work to keep society functioning. Its not the gas companies fault or the car manufacturers fault. Its totally my bad for wanting a livable wage the only way you can get one.

[–] Touching_Grass 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Right but now the car company had a massive incentive to build more efficient vehicles. The tax also isn't for the consumer necessarily is it?.

What you will pay is nothing compared to companies running factories and shipping between stores.

If you haven't looked into it, our logistics system is all kinds of fucked up. In some cases shipping parts across the ocean to get assembled and shipped back for more assembling before being shipped back again. All because carbon based energy usage has been dirt cheap for too long.

Its cheapness places externalities on society that we all pay anyways. Carbon taxes is a way to recoup the costs. Its a cost that had we known about these externalities then it would have been built in from the start. It's multifaceted and encouraged by many as a good solution

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

I'd argue that it is for the consumers, as those are the people getting the rebate. It incentivizes a shift in consumer behavior that is meant to take revenue away from the fossil fuel industry and redirect it towards green alternatives. I agree, it's a good policy, and one of the only ways we have of gracefully moving away from fossil fuels.

As long as you can avoid having people completely miss the point of the tax and being misled by politicians for their own personal gain, that is.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

And in your case you're likely breaking even or getting a little back from the carbon pricing system.

You as the consumer isn't been told fuck you. You're being slightly incentivised to make better choices, and rewarded if you do, but not penalized if you don't.