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[–] NatakuNox 70 points 6 months ago (26 children)

This is what a "Death Panel" looks like. Odd, because the GOP spent the last decade saying single payer health care and abortion rights would lead to death panels. Turns out they just wanted to be the ones running the death panels. Flee the south! Flee red states! I know their are naysayers that want people to stay so they turn the areas blue. But my argument is those areas had their chances to get basic human compassion correct and they fail every time. They will never ever agree with the will of the people and will go back on any bill passed that protects marginalized communities. The only way they will "see the light" is if they look around their states and see no women; see no educated individuals; see no hard working youths; and see no business. Then maybe they will. It's not your responsibility to put your own life and your families lives at risk in hopes that things will get better. They won't! I live in Colorado, our state isn't perfect but for fuck sakes we're trying to make life better. I used to complain about all the out of state people moving here, but I realized the majority are political refugees fleeing areas in their own fucking country. We'd love to have you because we want to lead by example. Colorado used to be known as the "Hate State" and now is one of the most liberal and free states.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago (17 children)

Don't flee, fill. Change the demographic. Red turns blue with better numbers.

[–] dirthawker0 12 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Part of the problem is that you can have a state consisting of 300 neckbeards and it will still have Senators and a Representative in Congress, and thus voting power on legislation. I don't blame people for fleeing, but staying and making states blue will have a bigger effect on change.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Well it comes down to 2 problems though.

First and most obvious hitting that critical mass... before you hit it, everything is hell, you are stuck with BS laws, and you can't do anything about it. Your vote is worthless.

In my town this november there was one ballot issue... in short, it was summarized as "put a million dollars towards schools, build a new school on an unused empty lot owned by the school system, build a new sports field for one of the schools). Digging deeper that would be paid for by a proporty tax that would cost... up to 100 a year for people making over 150k.

So... the whole town was plastered in "vote no" signs, when I went to the polling place a guy outside asked me to "strongly consider voting no". I was one of the 17% that voted yes.

So that basically tells me... demographically we need an insane change for the politics of this area to be less stupid, and that's before factoring in that not only does it involve a HUGE change to reach 51%... but realistically we need more like 65-70% to counteract the inevitable gerymandering that will happen if we ever get anywhere close. I will be staying here, and I'd be happy to encourage all my progressive friends to stay and/or move here. But when it comes down to it, I'd be shocked if there is a swing in the next 50 years, and I certainly wouldn't encourage anyone in a group that is likely to be directly oppressed to move here.

[–] skeezix 4 points 6 months ago

And what’s more, if you’re going to have kids it’s not fair to raise them in that environment; to draft them into a struggle as they mature; to bequeath upon them the battle that you likely wont live to see won.

I noped myself right out of America to a proper socialised democracy and now i live the American dream rather than spend my life and my kids lives fighting for it.

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