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weird (adj.)
c. 1400,
• "having power to control fate", from wierd (n.), from Old English wyrd "fate, chance, fortune; destiny; the Fates," literally "that which comes,"
• from Proto-Germanic wurthiz (cognates: Old Saxon wurd, Old High German wurt "fate," Old Norse urðr "fate, one of the three Norns"),
• from PIE wert- "to turn, to wind," (cognates: German werden, Old English weorðan "to become"),
• from root wer- (3) "to turn, bend" (see versus).
• For sense development from "turning" to "becoming," compare phrase turn into "become."
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Some of you may have watched anime called "Naruto: Shippuuden" and in that world there are three kinds of what they call "ocular jutsu" or we can call them in English as "visioning skills." I'm using the word "visioning" because I don't like the limited connotation of the fleshy round orbs in "ocular."
All three kinds of visioning skills are very rare and precious, and yet they are arranged in grades. From the lowest grade to the highest: byakugun, sharingun, and rinnegun.
So why is it like that? Here's what I say.
Byuakugun is a totally passive visioning skill whose function is to deliver enhanced information about the world. It's perceptive but lacks creativity.
Sharingan is able to translate some types of inner visions into outer, and so compared to byakugun sharingun is creative. Sharingun can actually change the world by just looking at it a certain way. However, compared to rinnegun sharingun is still limited.
Finally there is rinnegun. This visioning skill is able to perceive and emit visions of personalities, which are not merely the mechanical sum of any parts, and what happens between realms. Sharingun is limited only to the near realm, the realm the sharingun user was born in. And sharingun is limited to the more obvious, more mechanical-like transformations. Rinnergun can perceive many types of realms in addition to the realm the user was born in, as well as transitions of personalities between realms, which it to say, rebirth or reincarnation. Rinnegun can also emit such visions and make them real. So with rinnegun one can perform a reverse rebirth, and thus revive people who are already "supposed to be" dead. Basically rinnegun is capable of the more abstract and less obvious transformations.
So something like "a realm" is an abstract concept that most people don't even need to consider once in their lifetime if they're aiming to live a regular mundane life. Everything a mundane person needs to know is already present in this realm, so thinking about many kinds of other realms is pointless for those with mundane aspirations. In Naruto rinnegun is so rare that some people consider it a myth and an impossibility.
Each visioning skill has fewer limitations compared to the previous one. In Naruto they let the viewers know who has what kind of skill by painting distinctive eyes on the appropriate characters.
Originally commented by u/mindseal on 2017-07-07 00:41:05 (djuss4q)
I like your bit about realms. I'm slowly coming to recognize a realization I had from reading a lot of sci-fi and fantasy growing up: that "fictional worlds" are not any less real than our own except through those experiencing them, and that to rely on people with a limited scope to say what is and is not real or useful is foolish.
If we can utilize different realms such as books, movies, and other "mundane" media to learn, grow, and have experiences, then we should realize we can take it farther, that we are multi-dimensional beings from the get go. This is the reasoning behind "a magician never reveals his secrets", because those "uninitiated" won't have any way of appreciating it and will usually take a huge dump on it.
Originally commented by u/Dont_Even_Trip on 2017-07-07 08:22:34 (djvjfdr)
I agree with everything you say except this bit. I have no idea what this means. I am a being capable of imagining, stabilizing, maintaining, destabilizing, dissolving any numbers of dimensions. I wouldn't say I myself am multidimensional.
It's like calling some authors a multi-book author. :) I think the idea is, once you understand what being an author is, one isn't a single-book or multi-book. An author isn't defined by how many books they write, or at least, to me that's not a very useful distinction. Nothing prevents an author with one book from making another, but at the same time, an author perfectly capable of writing two books can stop at one, just cause they felt like it.
Originally commented by u/mindseal on 2017-07-07 09:16:13 (djvm1o9)
Hey that's a great analogy, thank you! I actually meant to clarify this but what I mean by "dimensional" is "degrees of freedom", so you could say that the "mundane" is limited to "physical, consistent space traveling uni-directionally through time" while we recognize ourselves as "authors", as you put it, with only "illusory" boundaries for the sake of the "story".
Your criticism still holds even with this clarification, though, and I'm glad you brought it up. "Dimensions", even in the sense of "degrees of freedom" (rather than the mainstream idea of "multiple realities/space times"), are merely a concept.
Originally commented by u/Dont_Even_Trip on 2017-07-07 10:06:50 (djvoeu0)
I think I'm on the same page now. (book metaphor, lol)
However in practice to actually exercise that trait would be a lot of retraining at least for me. For the time being my mental habits only support one realm. Maybe I am getting something like realm+, just a bit more freedom than I previously expected.
Originally commented by u/mindseal on 2017-07-07 16:24:37 (djw4a7i)
I'm very curious to read what your perspective on being an author is. From my perspective I like to trace words to their etymological roots, so in this case author: "from Latin auctor 'promoter, producer, father.'" Which brings me to a question.
Lately, there have been rituals I've been reading about. They all involve an unwanted entity showing up that calls itself "Father." This entity apparently uses some form of visioning, as you put it, and is able to read people like books. The uproar on the internet seems to be about how he "doesn't like free will" yet no one will disclose exactly what they mean by that. I understand the implications of the visioning, as I have personally dabbled in such matters... however I'm wondering if you had any insight into this.
(Considering between your initial reply mentioning visioning, and your reply to u/Dont_Even_Trip mentioning authors in conjunction with everything else I've mentioned. I just don't believe in coincidence...)
Originally commented by u/Scew on 2017-07-08 00:10:34 (djwhqqh)
My own opinions are my own insight, but once I type this opinion here, from your perspective, I advise that it should not be any kind of automatic insight.
So here's how I would interpret what's going on. This "father" entity is my own psychic backwash, and it's happening because people are not able to put themselves into the 1st person perspective of what I am relating. If you read what I say, but you fail to imagine yourself saying the things I say, then it looks to you as if "someone else" is coming into your life and says the things I say. Then you have a sense that what I talk about is a perspective of another onto your life, but nothing I say about SI is ever meant to be taken like that.
Basically this "father" entity is just a bit of one's subconscious mind, and shouldn't be taken seriously or literally.
The whole point of SI is to make you the author. Not some entity and not 'mindseal'. I don't become an author by proclaiming myself to others as one and demanding fealty or whatever, lol. Being an author isn't something social or something that requires permission or agreement.
Naturally I can never know you as an author, because I am an author myself. But once you properly understand the meaning of my words, you'll only know yourself as an author and not me, while you'd also understand why I'd say certain things. At the very least you'd experience yourself as a root or host author, while I'd be something like a guest author at most, and only if you bless me with that status in your own mindstream. So whether or not I have magickal abilities in your world depends on you.
In general here's something else I want to say. When one practices magick and SI, it's possible that some truly weird things happen. When this happens, it's absolutely crucial to remain calm and not to take any appearance too seriously. Without this caution one can lose one's inner balance and nothing good results from losing one's inner balance.
In lucid dreaming it's common knowledge that those who get over-excited on their first lucidity success wake themselves up. Excitement can have a destabilizing influence on a fragile mindset.
Originally commented by u/mindseal on 2017-07-08 07:21:52 (djx64om)