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as a jewish person.. all i have to say is what the fuc
It's the internet, there's Nazis everywhere. I got to see how they work (on the internet) because they converted a long time acquaintance of mine. I'm going to start working on some mod tools to help shut their bullshit down once work stops being a shitnado.
Sorry to hear about your acquaintance. Fuck nazi and thank you we need people to make sure we keep them the fuck out. Fuck nazi and I believe it's only time punching someone wouldn't be considered violent since to me a nazi isn't a person our worth being considered human. But fucking monsters.
Fyi: Dehumanizing humans was a core feature of the Nazi ideology.
There's a difference between “I don't respect this person's humanity” based on traits they were born with versus active choices and decisions that person has made. I would define one of the core human traits as care and empathy for others, and I don't think Nazis demonstrate that trait
They don't. Neither do most CEO and all billionaires. They have no empathy and in some cases enjoy causing suffering. Especially on those they deem lesser than themselves.
To me that makes them not human. But nazis are whole other beast and I think it perfectly fine to shoot them into the sun.
I think it's important to remember that these monsters are all too human.
It's still good to shoot them into the Sun.
Yes it's important to remember that humans are simple flawed creatures. Whether you are religious or not that should be everyone's basic understanding. And while it's important to remember that that doesn't justify the behavior. It doesn't make them any less human either.
We just need to remember the paradox of tolerance.
I'm not going to join your ride on the slippery slope of dehumanization. You need to get to grips with the reallity that your rosy fiction of what humans should be is not what humans are. Your jump to dehumanization is a perfect illustration of a not so nice human trait that enabled some of the most horrible episodes of human history. Be better than that.
Are we dicussing the same thing here? I am talking about Nazis and no one except for nazis should disagree with me on how they should be treated and dealt with. Thank you very much. I don't care if I hurt thier fucking fee fees. Fuck Nazis and only good one is a dead one. Punch a nazi in the face.
No we, are not. Because you use Nazi colloquially as a slur for people right of you who you don't agree with. I use Nazi correctly to refer to NSDAP members. As you want Nazis dead, I can reassure you, because 99.999% are. The literal hand full of Nazis still living is 97+ years old.
It should be abundently clear from what I wrote, that I'm critizing dehumanizing generally and without exception.
Fill in the blanks randomly and see what's wrong with it. My point is, it's always wrong. I'm not defending Nazi-ideology or neo-Nazis (I am very opposed to both), I'm critisizing you and others for participating in dehumanization. And I'm pointing out, that your way of talking about them is ironic (and tragic), because dehumanization was a core part of Nazi ideology and strategy.
Fyi: My quote of you with the blanks would be considered a call for violence and Volksverhetzung (hard to translate, but "incitement of the people" comes closest) in Germany. There just was a public case where leftists were convicted because their extreme words were followed by extreme actions.
And I'd really like to know, what you think the implementation of "Fuck Nazis and only good one is a dead one" could, would, or should be!? Hunt them down like animals? Just every citizen shooting them on sight? Putting them in concentration camps and create some Endlösung (final solution ⟶ gas chamber)?
For some reason you brought up billionaires?
I think it's important to remember they're human because it reminds me that the problem isn't really the individual people, the problem is the material structure that created them. You can't just fix society by getting rid of the baddies, we need to tackle the systems that are turning people into Nazis.
That said? We are limited by our material conditions. I think it's better to put Nazis through deradicalization programs instead of The Alternative, but I won't idealistically insist on expensive and difficult deradicalization when they need to be stopped immediately.
Nazis believe it's okay to hurt certain people. I believe it's okay to fuck up Nazis. Thus, Nazis and I agree it's okay to hurt Nazis.
I appreciate that you started off your post with the stupidest possible thing you could say so that everybody knows they don't need to waste time reading the rest.
You might want to look up the term neo-Nazi and learn why there is a distinction between it and the term Nazi. Your display of ignorance is indicative of that you really should read my "post" (it's a comment) in its entirety.
Nazi colloquially includes neonazi. You're being incredibly weird about this.
You seem to be part of the people who weirdly rationalize dehumanizing humans and on top of that water down language beyond usability.
I don't dehumanize anybody. I just correctly recognize the threat that bigotry poses to society, especially if allowed to grow and gain power. That threat is very much human and we can never allow ourselves to forget that. Evil tends to be very banal.
In this thread you seem to be, because I'm the only party criticizing it. And if you had read what I wrote that should be pretty clear to you.
Not in this thread. Maybe you generally do, but I don't see any shred of elaboration on that here.
Like dehumanizing is a very (negative) human trait. Which I layed out and critisized in detail in my comment you opted not to read after the first line.
As in "Nazis are not humans" or "violence against Nazis is OK"? Spoiler alert: That's dehumanization in action. And that's what I'm criticizing.
Oh damn you fucking got him. You got him so damn good. Print that out and frame it, this is obviously the peak of your existence. Sorry mate, all downhill from here.
Good job using the bullshit "Nazis are socialists" lie, that way it's easy to ignore you.
But it's ok to dehumanize someone who I disagree with. /s.
FYI: if their ideology is based on hurting people, we can punch them freely - they AGREE that violence is fine.
There's not really nazis, at least not many. People on the internet view right leaning views as literal nazis these days.
Except they are
they really are not
Agree to disagree
Nazis were a political movement and party in WW2 Germany. The people who hate black people and Jews these days do not align at all with that party. There's actual terms like Neonazi which is rare as well, or White Supremacist. The problem with using Nazi to define anybody currently is that in most online spaces a Nazi is not somebody who wants to exterminate the Jews and create a white world, but somebody you just disagree with and think is mean.
Oh I'm sorry, does it hurt the feelings of neonazis and white supremacists if I call them Nazis? Thank goodness someone told me. I'll be sure to keep calling them Nazis from now on
It hurts the power of labeling something as Nazis when it's just somebody you don't like.
I will never tire of people who do not grasp linguistics trying to be pedantic about words.
In a living language, words mean whatever people currently use them to mean. This is how "literally" literally doesn't mean "literally" anymore. Most people use Nazi to refer to both 1930s German National Socialists and modern day white supremacists. Therefore, that's what it means. English is not a dead language like Latin, so stop trying to treat it like one with regards to this one word. It just makes you look like a Nazi.
And pro-Trump Republicans are neither of those things. There may be some white supremacists in their club but by no means is it a requirement. All I see from them is delusions and shitposting.
The entire republican party is currently lockstep saying all trans folk are trying to corrupt, if not molest, children. They're promising national legislation to oppress and punish them if they win. Before them, it was Mexicans and Muslims. They always have a group of "others" to scapegoat, and given enough time and power they always eventually act on it.
"Never again" means we're supposed to recognize and stop this behavior before it can harm anybody, not wait until it's too late as we disingenuously quibble over definitions.
Bah.. you can argue semantics all day long, I have no qualm calling these alt-right fucks nazis. Just look at the dumpsterfire that voat.co became. Nazis comes close enough to describe that.
I can tell you TheDonald didn't like it either. That's why they left. The free speech absolutist policies meant they got called out all the time and they couldn't handle it.
Incorrect
So when men march wearing black balaclava and waving actual nazi flags, calling themselves nazis and intimidating vulnerable minorities with violence, you don't call them Nazis? Really?
Edit: This is neither hypothetical nor a unique occurrence
More likely neo-Nazis than actual Nazis if not pure edge lords. I think the best way to refer to them is untermensch because the actual Nazis would have seen them as lesser which I find hilarious and should insult them thoroughly. They deserve mockery and derision.
They were a political party and movement in world war II Germany based upon politics and cultural norms of the United States. We got the OG Nazis. Yes they weren't named Nazis. That much like the term fascism was something coined by others. But refer to systems that were already prevalent here.
Agree to disagree
Found the Nazi. Get the fuck out of here.
What are you, retarded?