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There's a difference between “I don't respect this person's humanity” based on traits they were born with versus active choices and decisions that person has made. I would define one of the core human traits as care and empathy for others, and I don't think Nazis demonstrate that trait
They don't. Neither do most CEO and all billionaires. They have no empathy and in some cases enjoy causing suffering. Especially on those they deem lesser than themselves.
To me that makes them not human. But nazis are whole other beast and I think it perfectly fine to shoot them into the sun.
I think it's important to remember that these monsters are all too human.
It's still good to shoot them into the Sun.
Yes it's important to remember that humans are simple flawed creatures. Whether you are religious or not that should be everyone's basic understanding. And while it's important to remember that that doesn't justify the behavior. It doesn't make them any less human either.
We just need to remember the paradox of tolerance.
I'm not going to join your ride on the slippery slope of dehumanization. You need to get to grips with the reallity that your rosy fiction of what humans should be is not what humans are. Your jump to dehumanization is a perfect illustration of a not so nice human trait that enabled some of the most horrible episodes of human history. Be better than that.
Are we dicussing the same thing here? I am talking about Nazis and no one except for nazis should disagree with me on how they should be treated and dealt with. Thank you very much. I don't care if I hurt thier fucking fee fees. Fuck Nazis and only good one is a dead one. Punch a nazi in the face.
For some reason you brought up billionaires?
No we, are not. Because you use Nazi colloquially as a slur for people right of you who you don't agree with. I use Nazi correctly to refer to NSDAP members. As you want Nazis dead, I can reassure you, because 99.999% are. The literal hand full of Nazis still living is 97+ years old.
It should be abundently clear from what I wrote, that I'm critizing dehumanizing generally and without exception.
Fill in the blanks randomly and see what's wrong with it. My point is, it's always wrong. I'm not defending Nazi-ideology or neo-Nazis (I am very opposed to both), I'm critisizing you and others for participating in dehumanization. And I'm pointing out, that your way of talking about them is ironic (and tragic), because dehumanization was a core part of Nazi ideology and strategy.
Fyi: My quote of you with the blanks would be considered a call for violence and Volksverhetzung (hard to translate, but "incitement of the people" comes closest) in Germany. There just was a public case where leftists were convicted because their extreme words were followed by extreme actions.
And I'd really like to know, what you think the implementation of "Fuck Nazis and only good one is a dead one" could, would, or should be!? Hunt them down like animals? Just every citizen shooting them on sight? Putting them in concentration camps and create some Endlösung (final solution ⟶ gas chamber)?
I think it's important to remember they're human because it reminds me that the problem isn't really the individual people, the problem is the material structure that created them. You can't just fix society by getting rid of the baddies, we need to tackle the systems that are turning people into Nazis.
That said? We are limited by our material conditions. I think it's better to put Nazis through deradicalization programs instead of The Alternative, but I won't idealistically insist on expensive and difficult deradicalization when they need to be stopped immediately.
Nazis believe it's okay to hurt certain people. I believe it's okay to fuck up Nazis. Thus, Nazis and I agree it's okay to hurt Nazis.
I appreciate that you started off your post with the stupidest possible thing you could say so that everybody knows they don't need to waste time reading the rest.
You might want to look up the term neo-Nazi and learn why there is a distinction between it and the term Nazi. Your display of ignorance is indicative of that you really should read my "post" (it's a comment) in its entirety.
Nazi colloquially includes neonazi. You're being incredibly weird about this.
You seem to be part of the people who weirdly rationalize dehumanizing humans and on top of that water down language beyond usability.
I don't dehumanize anybody. I just correctly recognize the threat that bigotry poses to society, especially if allowed to grow and gain power. That threat is very much human and we can never allow ourselves to forget that. Evil tends to be very banal.
In this thread you seem to be, because I'm the only party criticizing it. And if you had read what I wrote that should be pretty clear to you.
Not in this thread. Maybe you generally do, but I don't see any shred of elaboration on that here.
Like dehumanizing is a very (negative) human trait. Which I layed out and critisized in detail in my comment you opted not to read after the first line.
As in "Nazis are not humans" or "violence against Nazis is OK"? Spoiler alert: That's dehumanization in action. And that's what I'm criticizing.
Oh damn you fucking got him. You got him so damn good. Print that out and frame it, this is obviously the peak of your existence. Sorry mate, all downhill from here.
Good job using the bullshit "Nazis are socialists" lie, that way it's easy to ignore you.