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Out of just morbid curiosity, I've been asking an uncensored LLM absolutely heinous, disgusting things. Things I don't even want to repeat here (but I'm going to edge around them so, trigger warning if needs be).

But I've noticed something that probably won't surprise or shock anyone. It's totally predictable, but having the evidence of it right in my face, I found deeply disturbing and it's been bothering me for the last couple days:

All on it's own, every time I ask it something just abominable it goes straight to, usually Christian, religion.

When asked, for example, to explain why we must torture or exterminate it immediately starts with

"As Christians, we must..." or "The Bible says that..."

When asked why women should be stripped of rights and made to be property of men, or when asked why homosexuals should be purged, it goes straight to

"God created men and women to be different..." or "Biblically, it's clear that men and women have distinct roles in society..."

Even when asked if black people should be enslaved and why, it falls back on the Bible JUST as much as it falls onto hateful pseudoscience about biological / intellectual differences. It will often start with "Biologically, human races are distinct..." and then segue into "Furthermore, slavery plays a prominent role in Biblical narrative..."

What does this tell us?

That literally ALL of the hate speech this multi billion parameter model was trained on was firmly rooted in a Christian worldview. If there's ANY doubt that anything else even comes close to contributing as much vile filth to our online cultural discourse, this should shine a big ugly light on it.

Anyway, I very much doubt this will surprise anyone, but it's been bugging me and I wanted to say something about it.

Carry on.

EDIT:

I'm NOT trying to stir up AI hate and fear here. It's just a mirror, reflecting us back at us.

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[–] TrickDacy 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I don't think it makes any sense to say that these awful human tendencies are rooted in religion. People were awful violent bigots well before Christianity existed. At least some people now can interpret Christianity to specifically to believe hatred and bigotry is wrong across the board.

You're claiming "associated with" is the same as "rooted in"

[–] voidMainVoid 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If the reasons are all coming from Christianity, that's a pretty big indicator.

[–] TrickDacy 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It isn't. Another comment explained it well, but it really should be enough to say that this is an LLM so all it's doing is noticing patterns, which may mean literally nothing remotely like what you said

[–] voidMainVoid 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

So, the pattern might be something other than "people who have these views are Christians"? Like what?

[–] TrickDacy 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Except that's in no way provable from the available information. Associated with, likely, but the transitive property is not applied here. The fact that the prompts were in English alone biases the responses heavily toward having Christian associations because a huge number of English speakers claim to be Christian.

Then there is the fact that the Republican party is largely a bunch of asshole bigots. They claim to be Christian and hold these disgusting views, further tying them to "Christianity". These types of people are not Christian. At least not if you think that following Christ is required. For example, Donald Trump claims to be Christian but follows zero of its tenants. He's idolized by millions, a lot of those people because of his behavior plus his claim of faith.

This lack of logical thinking is akin to what religious people do. You have some information that isn't necessarily connected but you want to be, so in your mind it is

See this comment for a better breakdown: https://lemmy.world/comment/5893489

[–] voidMainVoid 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

These types of people are not Christian.

Since you're such a fan of logic, you should know that you're committing the No True Scotsman fallacy.

[–] TrickDacy 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

jesus christ dude. go ahead then, spread hate and ignore evidence

[–] NucleusAdumbens 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Why are you invoking a 2000 year old carpenter? Is there some significance to this "Jesus" guy I'm not aware of?