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[–] qooqie 46 points 1 year ago (2 children)

No shit it’s correlated more women want kids than men. Professor was a dipshit

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Actually, multiple studies show that men have higher desire to have children than women.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Actually, that sounds like it's made up

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

It's interesting and sad how so many people state their sexist and stereotypical believes as facts. And than want proof their believes are wrong, otherwise they will continue to believe in their sexist beliefs as if they were facts, even without any proof for their own narrative.

I could ask you, why are you so sure women want children more?

Studies and national surveys of multiple countries show the opposite:

Gender differences in willingness for childbirth, fertility knowledge, and value of motherhood or fatherhood and their associations among college students in South Korea, 2021

Female students showed lower willingness for future childbirth than male students (χ2 = 26.85, p < .001). Women valued motherhood significantly less than men valued fatherhood (t = 6.34, p < .001). Women had a lower fertility knowledge score than men (t = 2.53 p = .012).

Why Young Women Are Less Interested In Marriage And Children Than Young Men

When it comes to having children a similar pattern emerged, with 67% of males saying they want to have children one day compared to 61% of females. Just 12% of males said they didn’t want children compared to 16% of females

Why do more men than women think children equal fulfillment?

Single und kinderlos: Vor allem Männer wünschen sich Nachwuchs

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

shhh, don't spoil the lad(and other like him)'s fantasies that women secretly all want children

remember kids, it's not misogyny if she secretly wants it (of course she does, she's a woman!) /s

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean you could also argue that the disparity comes from the severe cost of living crisis

Cost of living affordability is directly correlated with the desire in women to have children.

Basically women do want children as much as men do, they just aren't as stupid about it.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Counterpoint: cost of living doesn't have any bearing on whether you want to, it just affects whether you will or not. There is no amount of money you could throw at me.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Yes, at you specifically, but for a lot of folks affordability does correlate with if they personally want to have a child, they aren't ideologically bound to one state or the other the way some child free or quiverfull folks are, the switch to want children is turned on for them if the conditions are met in their eyes where a child is possible to have and raise in a stable environment.

It's literally what happened with the baby boomers, and with Millennials and Zoomers too, although that one was linked to the subprime mortgage collapse, which ensuantly threw all those excess births into an unanticipated financial instability, which helped define the generation being extra weary of financial risks.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago

I mean 60% of women want children, thats a solid whatever your preference is.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Props for pulling the sources!

Though the other commenter saying "that sounds like it is made up" is definitely not presenting an opinion as fact, it is challenging that you presented your opinion as fact (in the uninformed person's eyes) with no sources to back it up (in your original comment). But then you came with proof afterwards that it has indeed been studied and is a fact.

That does not mean that he was "stating his sexist stereotype as fact".

If I said:

"Multiple studies have shown that the majority of people think the earth is flat"

with no sources.

Then anyone would be very reasonable to say "that sounds like you are making it up" (which in this case is true).

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I didn't realise it wasn't the same person. The original comment I reacted to wrote this:

No shit it’s correlated more women want kids than men. Professor was a dipshit

Which has 50 upvotes still. It shows me that people accept this theory without the need for sources out of sexist stereotyping. No one responded with "you are making it up". Instead it's accepted as truth.

While demanding sources when I write the opposite.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

You didn't source what you stated, so it did sound made up. Thanks for providing some (no really, thank you)

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Actually, you can find studies that confirm any bias you like.

What matters a lot more is what the body of research as a whole trends towards. Meta studies are the things to read, if you can get them.

[–] NightAuthor 12 points 1 year ago

I reviewed 500 studies, filtering for quality and sample size, ended up with 10 for my review, this body of works says X

Even meta analysis can have biases

[–] _danny -3 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Do you have a source that women want children more than men? Since so many of you treat that as a fact I am sure you have ample of research backing you up.

[–] _danny -5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You can't be serious. YOU MADE THE CLAIM that's not how this works.

You literally said "aCTuALLY, MULtIPLe STUdiES shOw ThAT ..." And you're asking me to prove you wrong when asking you to list a single one of these "multiple studies"

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I won't answer all of you little shitheads one by one. The links are posted above.

[–] _danny -3 points 1 year ago

Also, "all of you little shitheads" is two people. Two people called you out for not backing up such a strong claim.

[–] _danny -3 points 1 year ago

When I asked for the source, you hadn't posted that comment. I'm not going to go look at every post you have done since then when you give me no indication that you have.

[–] NightAuthor 2 points 1 year ago

I sampled my wife and I, definitely true.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"Men who want kids have lower testosterone" first of all bullshit, but let's assume its true. That means the men are older, not that they have more female characteristics.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I take testosterone supplements, solely to squash any inkling of the thought of having kids. Plus, the boosted T-levels may contribute to an earlier cardiovascular event, further reducing my chances of having a kid; it's a win-win all around

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Based as fuck, brother