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Lemmy.ml mods remove "two-sideism" comments on Israel-Palestine conflict on AskLemmy, causing drama (lemm.ee)

submitted 9 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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A user posted the question What opened your eyes to what's happening in Palestine? on [email protected].

As is evidenced, multiple comments have been removed by mods. The Mod log shows the moderator removing multiple of these comments due to "rule 1", which on lemmy.ml is:

No bigotry - including racism, sexism, ableism, homophobia, transphobia, or xenophobia. Code of Conduct.

The mods then also banned some of the commenting users for a few days.

This all lead to a post by one of the affected users to AskLemmy, accusing the mods of "removing all comments critical of Hamas". "No comments critical of Israel were removed", the user alleges. The post has since been removed by the lemmy.ml mods as well and the user banned for 14 days.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

I (early GenX) grew up with: it is an ugly conflict between two evil sides who do not hold back to kill. When agreements are reached, there is always one side who breaches the agreements. Periodic killing returns in a continuous cycle. At the end of every period the conflict hardens and borders are moved. I have not changed my opinion. I have not seen an eye opener in the past months. SNAFU: Situation Normal, All Fucked Up

Removed for Rule 1 and given a 4 day ban.
I'd have to see if their code of conduct covers the F word or something but it's not a ban that would sit right with me.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I probably wouldn't ban someone for it, but it's not difficult to see why that comment is a distasteful and callous oversimplification of the reality of what's happening, and it has nothing to do with the f word. If we're going to pick one word to single out I'd say it should be "normal." This situation is not normal by any standard.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago

Your comment.

callous oversimplification of the reality of what’s happening

Kick out the jams:

I (early GenX) grew up with I have not seen an eye opener in the past months.

I don't see a problem with the phrasing. Jams is saying "this is what I saw" which is really a product of their environment. This isn't a ban-worthy comment. This is an educational moment. This is an opportunity to say "that's not what happened, you were fed a bunch of propaganda."

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

That one I can see why the comment is removed. The Statement that

When agreements are reached, there is always one side who breaches the agreements.

simply is a blatant lie.

[–] agent_flounder 2 points 9 months ago

Did they mean "only of the two sides breaches" (i.e., it's always _____'s fault) or "either one or the other side always breaches" (i.e.,, each side instigates at one point or another) ...?

And for the record I don't know the details of which interpretation is accurate. And also I'm not sure that either phrase even begins to capture the entire complex mess of this long, sickening conflict that wastes so many lives.

My take is genociding, oppressing and terrorizing people is wrong, I don't give a fuck who does it or why.