this post was submitted on 25 Nov 2023
658 points (97.7% liked)

World News

39041 readers
3769 users here now

A community for discussing events around the World

Rules:

Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.


Lemmy World Partners

News [email protected]

Politics [email protected]

World Politics [email protected]


Recommendations

For Firefox users, there is media bias / propaganda / fact check plugin.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/media-bias-fact-check/

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] brawleryukon 10 points 11 months ago (2 children)

The only benefit of ICE over BEV is quick refueling, and that only matters if you're roadtripping.

The solution is fast-charging BEVs. Edmunds just released a roundup of EV charging times, and showed that with some Hyundais/Kias, you can get 100 miles of range juiced up in 7-8 minutes. Obviously, yes, that's still slower than dumping some dead dinos in your gashole and taking off, but it's still pretty quick.

With further technological refinements over time and infrastructure built to give you something to do during 15-20 minute charges, road trips will be perfectly feasible without ICE and will actually probably be more pleasant.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Except fast charging quickly degrades the battery. For people without home charging access, this is the key issue. In reality, BEVs won't catch on. Between the cost, weight, and other problems of the battery, it is a doomed idea and a repeat of the early 20th century. The future of transportation will involve a chemical fuel, whether it's ICE or fuel cell powered or whatever. It has to mirror the functionality of existing cars completely, or it won't work.

[–] brawleryukon 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Terrible take.

Solid state batteries will get figured out well before useful non-polluting chemical fuels, rocketing BEVs beyond ICE's wildest dreams.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Solid state batteries don't exist yet. It's the classic "magic batteries from the future will solve everything" argument. Meanwhile, a sensible path to zero emissions exist now, provide you accept that we should making zero emissions chemical fuels. At some point, refusal to accept this option is its own form of climate change denial.

[–] brawleryukon 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Solid state batteries don't exist yet.

So you start with this, but then...

provide you accept that we should making zero emissions chemical fuels

Why do you think we're magically going to find zero emission chemical fuels but aren't going to make solid state batteries? I mean, aside from your being a pretty obvious fossil fuel stooge?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 months ago

We already have that ability. In particular, we can now make hydrogen from electrolysis at vast scale. Derivative fuels, such as ammonia, are also doable.

Your problem is that you are being brainwashed by the battery companies. You think magical batteries exist when they do not, but are stuck in the early 2000s when it comes to competing technologies.