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Dozens of soldiers escorted journalists through a narrow stone tunnel — which the military said stretched 150 meters (164 yards) — to a series of underground bunkers beneath Shifa Hospital in a shattered Gaza City.

The living quarters, located at the end of the tunnel, had an air conditioner, kitchen, bathroom and pair of metal cots in a room fashioned from rusty white tile. They appeared to be out of use.

The AP was allowed access to Gaza on the condition that its journalist stay with the Israeli military convoy throughout the four-hour tour and submit all material to a military censor ahead of publication. There is no other way for foreign journalists to currently access the enclave.

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[–] Brendan 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Holy shit! That's freaking crazy!

[–] bustrpoindextr 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I've never heard that guy before but he's purposely ignoring things to make the other side seem idiotic, which is not a good faith argument.

You can't say Hamas is not using human shields. They are, they've even bombed some of them and spread disinformation that Israel did it to make Israel look even worse, it was one of their first moves after Oct 7th.

The only valuable bit of the link you posted was the CNN clip from the Israeli guy. I'm only leaving this comment in hopes that people think about the echo chambers they get in. Echo chambers are incredibly powerful and with regards to this conflict, very dangerous. It's an incredibly complex situation with the only innocent parties being the civilians on both sides.

Neither civilian group wants either of the current leaderships in play, but those leaderships are what caused this and are perpetuating it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

the CNN clip from the Israeli guy

That "Israeli guy" is former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak.

Jayzuz.

[–] bustrpoindextr -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Sooooo he's an Israeli guy...

Yeah, you really got me there. And I said that bit was valuable...

Jayzuz.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They are, they’ve even bombed some of them and spread disinformation that Israel did it to make Israel look even worse, it was one of their first moves after Oct 7th.

When did they do that?

[–] bustrpoindextr 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah I guessed you'd say that. The thing is: There's other data that does suggest Israel did bomb the hospital, but leaving that aside the Israeli story is that a PIJ rocket misfired and hit the hospital. This means it's:

1-Not Hamas, and:

2-Not something they did to make Israel look worse.

You're currently spreading misinformation.

[–] bustrpoindextr 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Third party data shows it was Hamas. You can't just say no.

the Israeli story is that a PIJ rocket misfired and hit the hospital. This means it's:

No the third party, not even Israeli, story is.

It literally couldn't have been Israeli and it was Hamas or some other local area bombing, which means it couldn't have been Israel.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Third party data shows it was Hamas.

No? As I just said, the Israeli (and consensus) position is that a PIJ missile misfired. It wasn't Hamas and it wasn't a false flag operation, as you claim.

Also here's some third party data.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVQALHmgo8U

[–] bustrpoindextr 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Here's some more data, the consensus, as of yesterday, is that rocket came from Gaza. The French confirmed it too, your video is also old (and from the height of the disinformation campaign)

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-hamas-war-hospital-rocket-gaza-8bc239d2efe0cff3998b2154d9220a83

You've also yet to back up the claim that Israel has that position at all, or that the general consensus from the intelligence community agrees with you either.

You can't just say no.