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[–] Zoboomafoo 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The service is free to use

No it isn't.

My access to it is not conditional to my authentic participation in unpaid labor

Yes it is, and you're being paid by access.

Is paying in labor instead of money such an alien concept to you?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

That isn't the deal as described in the contract. That is how they try to frame the deal after the fact, to convince people to let them get away with it.

The site is free to access. While you access it, they claim rights to your data, or in this case the output of your work. It is not an exchange of access for data/labor, it is a free provision with terms snuck in via the fine print.

[–] Zoboomafoo 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

It's really not that complicated. If you don't want to pay to use a service, that's your perogative, but it's not a deceptive trade at all.

The website gets to avoid bots spamming forms, you get access to the forms, and Captcha gets some training data. Everyone benefits

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

It absolutely is deceptive. The captcha does not openly tell the user "if you complete this you're going to train an AI system for us which we will eventually sell for profit". The user is merely told to "prove that you're human". The terms and conditions or privacy policy also don't spell things out in plain English, it's all generalised statements meant to disguise what they're doing.

It's also not true that everyone benefits. The user is supposed to gain access to the website for free - the website wants users to visit. However, the website wants to prevent non-user bots from accessing the website. Instead of the website paying for a service to prevent bots and taking that as part of their overhead costs, the website is getting the user to provide unpaid labor to pay a third party for the service that the website wants. The service gets a benefit, the website doesn't have to pay, the user has to do all the work with no fair reward.

If it was literally just proving the user was human, that would be different. These systems extract further value from the user, for which the user is not compensated.

It might only be a small thing, a few pennies here and there, but they're stealing pennies from everyone.