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[–] glimse 67 points 10 months ago (6 children)

I get what you're going for but if you want to be realistic, the hostage taker wouldn't be surprised/upset in the third panel. Israel is undoubtedly committing war crimes but Hamas has made it pretty clear they don't give a shit if Palestinian civilians die.

[–] Roflmasterbigpimp 21 points 10 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago

Yea, except there should be like 50 hostages and one guy with a knife, and then the pink shirt guy blows them all to bits

[–] glimse 4 points 10 months ago
[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago

Yeah, panel 5 should be pink/green high-fiving.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Nah. In 4 they should be shooting both of them through the hostage.

[–] wildn0x 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I love the analogy if your loved one was being held at gun point, would you support the police firing through your loved one to kill the criminal? Yeah criminal is dead but like wtf.

Hey someone is robbing a bank, better blow it up. The customers and workers will die but at least we got the bank robber.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Also: bringing up “Deliberately killing hostages”

Hamas is like “yeah we do that, too, and we will do it again.”

[–] glimse 2 points 10 months ago

Israel: we don't give a shit about the lives of Palestinians

Hamas: We don't either LOL

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I get what you mean but it's not because the terrorists don't care if you kill the hostages that you can kill them

[–] glimse 17 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Seeing as how Israel isn't letting civilians leave the war zone, there's plenty more human shields to choose from!

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Israel has made it pretty clear they consider everyone in Gaza to be their military enemy.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Agreed. Hamas has explicitly said the same for all of Israel, unfortunately.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Just to bound my mind to yours

Israel has made it pretty clear they consider everyone in Gaza, Palestine, and not agree with them, to be their ~~military~~ enemy.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

how Israel isn't letting civilians leave the war zone

Neither is Hamas.

[–] glimse 1 points 10 months ago
[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Wow, Israel is doing the same as a terrorist group. That must mean that Israel are the good guys.

Great argument!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

Hamas could let their people South and no one gets hurt. If Israel lets Palestinians across the border into Israel, Hamas will sneak in with them and kill lots of Israelis. Can you not see the difference?

[–] [email protected] -3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Then go tell the artist to change the facial expression if it bothers you so much

[–] glimse 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You mean the original artist who didn't add flags to the image? Or do you mean OP who I did (jokingly) suggest that to...?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

It didn't sound look like you were joking.