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[–] seacocker 190 points 10 months ago (5 children)

I have come here for a climate demonstration, not a political view

What he really means is that he only wants to hear about one slice of a political view, or he doesn't understand that climate change is a political subject too.

[–] [email protected] 117 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

He probably means he disagrees with her about this issue and didn't show up to support a pro-Palestine rally.

[–] MTK 31 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

I'm gonna get downvoted for this but this is just wrong.

Climate change is science, not politics. We are trying to address it from multiple angles at the aame time (such as political angles, scientific angles, lifestyle angles, etc)

So the fight to make our politicians accept that climate change is sceince and not politics is, ironically, a political fight but climate change and the movments to stop it are not only political.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 9 months ago

Climate Change is, yes.

But the policies to combat it are not.

[–] interceder270 28 points 9 months ago

Addressing climate change is politics.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 9 months ago

As Hbomb said, "People who say they don't like politics in games actually like politics in games the most, they just wish they were seeing different politics in games, and that's who Caesar's Legion is here to stroke off!"

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

No it's not! Fighting climate change can be addressed as legitimate issue to fix from both sides of the political spectrum. Talking about the gaza conflict and picking an arbitrary side, does nothing except, drive potential fff supporters away. People will hate Greta and everything she stands for even more. Only for virtue signaling points on social media.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Nah. She is spot on when she says that a movement for climate justice cannot ignored the marginalized, the oppressed, and those fighting for justice and freedom.

Those who would hate her for being anti-genocide and anti-apartheid are already very unlikely to be allies to the climate justice movement, a movement that highlights the way that impoverished peoples and nations, especially non-white non-european equatorial and global south nations, are uniquely suffering the consequences of climate change.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I don't see a connection between climate justice and justice for Palestinians, other than that it's both about justice. Could you elaborate why it's necessary to bring these seemingly unrelated struggles for justice together?

I btw totally see how a lot of social justice is tied to climate justice, but specifically the Palestinian struggle seems totally unrelated. Happy to change my mind.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

I mean there's definitely geopolitical implications in this conflict and it happens to be in a region where there are wars for oil.

[–] NAXLAB 10 points 10 months ago

I think you might be narrowing the definition of politics. Something is political not just when two arbitrary political "sides" disagree. Something is a political issue when government policy is involved, and Greta is absolutely in the business of changing government policy. Climate change is also a political issue because it does create a divide among political groups: the rich and the poor. The people who own the most stuff will profit from irresponsible pollution, and have the most means to avoid its consequences. They will be using their political power to make sure things stay that way. The poor will suffer.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 9 months ago

Or detract from the movement by bringing other fronts for it to be attacked into the conversation