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No, you're right. Infinity war is the better movie but endgame was the better event. Endgame is almost a perfect fanservice movie and I wouldn't have it any other way.
Infinity war is not that good either. Everything is preventable but the heroes forgot how to heroe and make very bad decisions
Welcome to every single movie that's ever been produced. Most things in movies could be prevented if the heroes just made reasonable decisions. But then you wouldn't have a movie, so heroes have to be stupid at just the right moment to make the movie work.
Nahh, that's just cheap Hollywood shit that's written so poorly.
It's hard to tell living in the US, because our media is dominated by Hollywood. You only get to see the one or two gems that get shat out randomly once a decade sitting amongst a giant field of dumbed down Disney fairy tales. That's if the gems were even advertised all that well in the first place. So much ADD advertising that spoils the climax of the movie 'and' gives you the wrong idea of the plot, it's impossible to tell what's actually good without watching it.
Care to name a few examples?
Hmm, it's been a long time since I've seen a movie in theaters, let alone a hidden gem or grossly misadvertised one. I try to avoid ads like the plague.
The only recentish thing that comes to mind is Barbarian, but I don't think I even saw an ad for it. Not one I paid attention to. Just went randomly, it was not as expected, and we had fun not taking it too seriously anyways, which seems appropriate for that movie.
Others elsewhere in the convo are making some banger recommends, though.
Go watch Die Hard, The Day Of The Jackal, Rope, Seven Samurai, The Martian. It is possible to write a movie that isn't moved forward by passing around the idiot ball. Characters can take reasonable actions, and still have stuff go wrong and have to take new reasonable actions to adjust.
If the hero just minded his own business and did nothing, no one dies and his wife is never in danger but millions of dollars worth of bonds are stolen. It's a fair trade off, and might have even saved their marriage.
Based on a book with no actual heroes. Just a cold-blooded assassination attempt. This isn't the type of movie I'm referring to, though I should have said "almost every single movie..." or "hero movies".
Uh...yeah...
That's just a whole lot of fucked up. No heroes there, except maybe someone not realizing they are friends with psychopaths that have a dead body in their living room.
The heroes lose 4 of their own. I'll give you this one, this is the most realistic depiction of a hero movie.
Poor mission planning. They can monitor, predict, and plan for dust storms on Mars today. But in the future, all that goes out the window when humans are involved? This entire scenario depends on someone not doing their job properly.
This is why I prefer The Watchmen.
Seriously? Only one hero literally has multiple superpowers including clairvoyance and precognition, but he can't sense what the villain with no superpowers is doing right in front of him because of something that hasn't happened yet? That one has always bothered me...
Yep, it's the perfect metaphore for human cognition. Doesn't matter how smart you are, nobody can know everything, and there will always be circumstances outside of your control no matter how powerful you become.
The true weakness of the gods is the hubris of men.
Doesn't blue boy's speech at the end really dig at this concept? He basically admits it was right under his nose the whole time, iirc.
Or maybe I'm imagining it. It's been quite a while. Might be embelishing on the lines about how he ultimately agrees with the plan.
That was the gist of it from my memory, but I'm in the same situation as you.
Not true, that is just lazy writing.
Agreed. Infinity War was so dumb, I never even bothered to see Endgame. In that sense, it had the same effect on me as The Last Jedi, but at least MCU had an overarching story planned which is more than can be said for the Disney SW trilogy.
Infinity War has its faults. It's paced a little nonstop and the Wakanda bits are a bit weak. That being said, I saw it ten times in the cinema and it's the perfect movie for me. I swear -- the tail end of Thanos being on Titan to the end of the movie, you can feel how somber it was and I feel that's because of the connection to the characters. We can always say "oh they're coming back" but I like to watch the movie on its own and remember just how it felt watching the movie for the first time.
Yeah infinity war was better, I knew this the moment Thanos ripped that planet down with the power and space stones
Exactly. Endgame is great in terms of fanservice, but IW is just a far more solid film