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[–] federatingIsTooHard -5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If you refuse to vote for the lesser of two evils,

you are choosing not to vote for evil.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

you are choosing not to vote for evil.

And allowing the greater evil to win.

[–] federatingIsTooHard -4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

in the trolley scenario, i don't touch the lever. you can choose to be a murderer, but i won't.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

In the trolley scenario, you chose to let 6 people die. Neither choice makes you a murderer. But one choice causes much more harm than the other.

[–] federatingIsTooHard -2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

flipping the switch makes you a murderer.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This is exactly the kind of situation the trolley problem was invented to illustrate... and I've never seen anyone fail at it so badly with such a weird take.

You'll allow the greater evil to happen because you don't want to have any part or any responsibility in helping a lesser evil happen. But you do have responsibility, because you do have a choice. In the trolley problem, f you never knew about the lever, you couldn't be asked to pull it or not. In the election problem, if you can't vote you have no responsibility. But the trolley problem states you know about the lever, and in the election scenario, you do have a vote. So you are involved no matter what. And that means you're just as guilty as the person who acted; only your action resulted in more deaths than the person who acted either way. Yours was the worst possible choice.

Try flipping the words from evil to good. The greater evil is worse, and the lesser evil is better. Therefore, you are choosing the worse scenario rather than the better one. It's ridiculously absurd.