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The origin of "outlaw" didn't mean someone was a bandit.
It meant they had broken the social contract, and as such were no longer protected under any laws
An outlaw didn't avoid civilization because they'd be arrested, it was because everyone else could steal from them or even kill them, and face zero consequences for it.
They didn't abide by the social contract, so others didn't have to either
Yea, all it took was not paying your taxes.
Don't pay your share, no protection of the law, seems pretty simple.
I wish it were an option nowadays, honestly. I'd make that bet in a heartbeat. Statistically id be so much safer I could make a case for my life insurance rates to drop. Statistically I am at my highest chance of death in the presence of a police officer, whether they're in the area because of me or not, so even as a bystander. If I could cut that cord, it's a no brainer. Also my car is getting 20 extra batteries dropped in it wired up in series for parking and pumping 240vdc to every metal part of the chassis. And my property will have a dozen armed sentry's that will fire on anything that moves unless you got the optics for it to sense friendly, which I'll just have implanted inconspicuously into a tattoo.
Certainly one possible lifestyle, however you could just participate in society instead.
I highly doubt you will be safer. If people knew they could do anything to you without any consequences it wont take long for people to rob and kill you. Because why not.
Because it's not like there's not a cost, or an inherent danger in attacking someone of being..idk.. Attached back? If you watch animal attacks you'll notice deer or bear can be scared of by a human with a stick and loud voice, not because the animal is in any disadvantage, but bc of the uncertainty of human capabilities and the rising certainty of dying from severity of injury,(bleeding out, predation, infection) makes the cost not worth it.
And you know, most people simply aren't like that. We are pro-social. Post-apoc there is nothing that has more value than another person. No gun, no tool, no vehicle. Another person expands capabilities and capacities across the board, as well as helping keep your sanity. So, sorry, I'm not afraid of people. I already rape and murder exactly as much now as I want to, and that amount is zero.
Those that say without religion blah blah blah fucking terrifying me and yet I'm glad their chosen book keeps their inner demons at bay.
You know, I kind of wish it were an option too. But mostly just so you guys can suffer the inevitable consequences and come back humbled enough to actually contribute to the society you benefit from.
How would you get those batteries or power those armed sentries without being a part of society?
They require quite a bit of specialization to build and maintain.
Being an outlaw doesn't mean you don't participate or become a recluse. It means you are outside the protection of the law, that's it. Was there some confusion that I missed here?
Honestly let me flip the whole thing back at y'all,
What's the law (the people that make it up) done for you that shows that it should continue being trusted with that power? The worst injustice done to me in my entire life, by leaps and bounds, was done to me consciously by a fucking evil cop. If he was on fire I'd wait until his lips and eyelids burnt off before pissing on him just so he could survive and feel that pain everyday, and I'd live completely guilt free knowing that still doesn't add up to it.
Why, in today's world, would someone denying the 'offer' even be seen as controversial and have the onnus turned on them and not the people who made the environment hostile in the first place? Fucking bootlickers. I don't recall me breaking the public trust, yet I see it in the newspaper on the fucking daily. Every 4 hours a cop kills someone in America, y'all think throwing more money at that's gonna fix it? Has that worked for ANY system under capitalism?
In Seattle there's over 50 cops last year that made over $250k. Our national generals make less than that. Shit, our state senators make $60k/yr. I don't see cops solving crime, do you? You'd be lucky if they even show up when you call. Fuck the police.
So, becoming an outlaw would change nothing for the better. Quite contrary actually. Police could go even worse on you without any consequences but now you would also have to worry about everyone else being able to fuck you over with zero consequences for them.
And yes, being an outlaw would mean you don't participate. Why would society grant you benefits like providing service that cost a lot of money (e.g. infrastructure) while you sit back and say "fuck you, give me your shit"
So the benefits of society are inextricable linked with accepting their protection racket? Just being clear here, this isn't you know, textbook extortion? If I criticize capitalism, does that mean I'm criticizing America as a whole or is there more to America and life inside it than the economic laws we passed? One can exist without the other..we see capitalism in other countries.. Does that mean other countries are America..? Or maybe that that's a stupid conflagration. Stupidly common too.
There's nothing stopping police from actively ruining and derailing your entire life now. They'll do it just for the lolz. It's overpaid institutionalized malice granted immunity. And what do they do with this honor? Wanton murder and subjugation and have become the largest mob stealing the most from the citizens that the countries ever seen or known.
Ask me how I know
I'd happily pay the estimated $75 per person a year for the military. Since that's half the congressional budget I'll just attach the other $75 in a blank check. In fact in my preferred world we'd be able to sign off or on and single line item of the budget individually. But that works be government by persuasion not coercion.
And we should have to go thru the motions of paying our own taxes. If you believe in personal property, y'know, just straight up ownership, then no one, and I mean no one, has the right to your money unless it's thru you. Maybe it's me. Maybe I simply think that respectful society should act respectfully.
And yes, thank you for such concerns but I really do feel much safer taking my own security into my own hands, utilizing and practicing my own agency, probably because it's the only security any of us actually have, or will likely know. The police aren't our protectors. Ask the kids in Uvalde. The police protect private property of those that donate to them and abuse the application of the law to such a degree that respecting it doesn't even REGISTER in the brain. No one respects the law. Some FEAR the law, but that is not respect. More so, the law is openly flaunted on national TV by corporations and by politicians. A fine not as big as the illicit gains? Cost of business, rinse, repeat. As much freedom as you can afford, just pad every pocket on the way. Corruption=the American way.
You want to be rich? Mimic their behavior. Lovely society we live in, huh? And who would've thought, that breaking the public trust, with no accountability, would just pave the way for Blade Runner. There's your psychotic motherfuckers that need religion to not rape. Punch up, fools, before you cant anymore. Look to this post. THEY BROKE THE SOCIAL CONTRACT, my allegiance to their, to ANY fucking cause isn't unconditional. Life itself, IS CONDITIONAL.
Huh, I didn't know Ted Kaczynski is on Lemmy
Well, with the difference that Kaczynski wasn't a moron even though he has some weird ideas
Society doesn't mind doing this for refugees who not only said fuck you to their own country, but also yours.
But of course, it would be quite intolerant to tell refugees to go back and fix their shitty country instead of leeching from yours.
Actually, society treats refugees quite harshly in almost any country. It's really only right wing propaganda that pushes the concept that any country just accepts refugees with open arms while they pillage a new country.
Guess we know where you get your information from
You can find how many jobless refugees are in Germany right now on Google. Is Google a right-wing propaganda machine now?
Google is an unbiased search engine. You can find almost any piece of information that confirms your own bias.
I guess we can add dishonest to the list?
Google is a straight up propaganda platform. It's almost impossible to get it to give you information that doesn't center the interests of the US foreign policy blob. It may be you've never been exposed to the perspectives that are being censored but I promise you it's anything but unbiased.
I see, official government statistics are biased... Let me guess, Hitler was alive all along and did this?
Ah yes, attacking the character of a person you don't know. Hallmark of a winner right there.
Let me reiterate that, by your own logic, I don't owe you any kind of explanation. Attack me all you like. Logical conversations are for people who abide the social contract
You didn't have a problem with this when you were the one doing it.
Funny, I don't recall calling you a nazi. Only one of us stooped that low 🤔
I don't recall calling you a nazi either.
Nice. Can't remember your own comment three comments up.
I guess dementia might explain all of this too? Maybe I should be concerned for your mental health
Every time.
Wow, I'm the one twisting words? Sounds to me like you actually don't have a logical retort so you're just leaning on pot shots.
Anyway, again, I don't owe you any kind of explanation. You're here to argue and declare yourself right.
Why are you here? Because to me it still kind of just looks like you're picking pointless fights with people on the internet to defend your right to be an asshole?
I don't recall writing "twisting".
But anyway, I'm glad that lemmy succeeded, or maybe it's just that even outside reddit, a true redditor will always be a redditor.
Big words coming from someone fresh from reddit themselves. I can see that your account was created less than a day ago.
Anyway, and again according to your own assertion throughout this whole post, nobody here has any reason to take what you say seriously.
Have fun yelling into the void
Glad you can see something I implied in the post you're replying to.
Go back to reddit. At least you won't have to argue so hard in an echo chamber. If you came to lemmy thinking you'd find a place less left leaning, you're gonna have a bad time.
Just a general tip, since you're new here. Later
I'm not arguing with anyone though.
Well you're certainly right about that. Arguing implies the people you are spouting insults at actually take you seriously. Again, social contract thing.
Thanks for the laugh though. I really do have to go
That can't be true, right? You're probably talking about senior management, and not the 'cop on the beat', yes?
Or, you know, you could just shower and learn to get along with people.
I'm drawing the line at showering. If society doesn't want me at my stankiest it does not deserve me clean.