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Translation:

Essen's mayor Thomas Kufen (CDU) reacts with horror to a demonstration in his city on Friday evening. 3,000 people, including many Islamists, marched through the Ruhr metropolis.

Essen's mayor Thomas Kufen (CDU) reacted with outrage and incomprehension to an anti-Israel demonstration that marched through the Ruhr metropolis on Friday evening. Several of the approximately 3,000 participants chanted slogans and held up posters calling for a "Khilafah" (caliphate) in Germany. The three-hour procession on the edge of the city center was accompanied by 450 police officers and observed by state security.

According to the Essen police, the demonstration was registered by a private individual. However, the main organizer was apparently the “Generation Islam” group, which security experts consider to be part of the pan-Islamist movement “Hizb ut-Tahrir” (HuT) . HuT has been banned in Germany since 2003. The main speaker at the final rally in Essen was the activist Ahmad Tamim, the head of “Generation Islam.” The Islamic scholar Ahmad Omeirate told WAZ that Tamim was “using the Middle East conflict for mobilization and radicalization.”

Mayor Kufen regretted on Saturday morning that "Islamists, anti-democrats and Jew-haters" were allowed to parade through Essen protected by the freedom of assembly guaranteed by the Basic Law: "That is difficult to bear." The CDU politician, who was the North Rhine-Westphalia state government's integration officer from 2005 to 2010, called for consequences: "The Office for the Protection of the Constitution must take a closer look at Hizb ut-Tahrir's splinter and successor groups. Bans must be an option."

The demonstrators shouted slogans in Arabic and German on Friday evening. Posters condemned the Israeli military operation in Gaza ("Stop the genocide") after the terrorist attack by the Palestinian Hamas, and one sign read: "German raison d'état calls for the killing of children." The organizers initially used loudspeakers to remind people of the police requirement that no participant should question Israel's right to exist. The tip-off was met with loud boos from the crowd.

At the beginning of the march, participants were also asked over loudspeakers to separate men and women. So it happened that most of the female demonstrators marched through the city behind the male participants. They repeatedly shouted "Allahu akbar" ("God is great") and held up signs calling for the unity of all Muslim believers and the establishment of a caliphate in Germany. Individual demonstrators stuck their right index fingers in the air; This gesture is intended to symbolize belief in the "one God", but is also seen as a symbol of the terrorist organization "Islamic State". The design of several black and white banners and flags also resembled depictions of IS.

The Essen police announced on Saturday that they would subsequently analyze the Friday demonstration and examine its “criminal relevance”. It turned out that the motive for a pro-Palestine meeting was only a pretext. Instead, the organizers held a religious event.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I don't believe these 3000 individuals faithfully represent the 5+ milion Muslims who live in Germany nor the almost 2 bilion Muslims in the world.

What I do belive they represent is violent religious extremism. And that is not limited to Muslims. You got Buddhists shooting people in Myanmar, Jews shooting people in the west bank, Hindu stoning people in India and even 1st world American Christians shooting on plant parenthood clinics...

We should be vigillant whenever a religions doctrine gets into conflict with what we understand are basic human rights. I am not confident we are. I am not comparing PIS to idk Hamas - but how many women have died in Poland due to their anti-abortion laws and how is that acceptable?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I am not comparing PIS to idk Hamas - but how many women have died in Poland due to their anti-abortion laws and how is that acceptable?

What is the point if saying that you don't compare and than compare anyway?

Sure there is also conservative Christianity that takes influence on society. The difference is it went trough reformation and there are more liberal (mainstream) versions of it. While one of the few (the only one I know about) liberal mosque in Germany is closing down due to threats.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

What is the point if saying that you don’t compare and than compare anyway?

Sorry. By that I meant that even here, in our "safe Europe" our religious belives sometimes reach beyond what I believe should be allowed in a healthy society. Only the scale/method is wildly different - such that it "does not stand comparison".

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If the scale is so wildly different, what is the point of bringing it up?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They just explained it to you if you cared to listen.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I asked a different question, it's called conversation - you should try it one day.

[–] FMT99 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Modern American Christian politicians beg to differ. They very much would like to see the bible placed next to the constitution.

I agree we shouldn't let them of course.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sure there is also conservative Christianity that takes influence on society. The difference is it went trough reformation and there are more liberal (mainstream) versions of it.

Reading is a useful skill.

[–] FMT99 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As is trying to understand the other's point. How is banning abortion for everyone on religious grounds reformed? The new speaker of the house said there can be no legitimate government that's not based on the bible.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

You know what reformation was?