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Former President Barack Obama said a way forward for the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is only possible if people acknowledge the “complexity” of the situation.

“If there’s any chance of us being able to act constructively to do something, it will require an admission of complexity and maintaining what on the surface may seem contradictory ideas that what Hamas did was horrific, and there’s no justification for it. And … that the occupation and what’s happening to Palestinians is unbearable,” Obama said in an interview on the podcast “Pod Save America.”

The former president’s comments come as the Israeli military focuses its offensive against Hamas in Gaza City and northern parts of the enclave.

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[–] krashmo 40 points 1 year ago (2 children)

We certainly are catering to the least intelligent among us in almost every respect. Oddly enough I was thinking about this earlier tonight.

I went to use the bathroom at a restaurant and they had some framed newspapers hanging up in there that were run by the local newspaper in 1918. The whole front page was news about WWI but it looked very different from war coverage in newspapers today. Each article was very detailed and covered distinct parts of the conflict during that week. There were sections on American, Canadian, and English troops detailing whether they had advanced or retreated, how much fighting they had to do, and references to commanding officers, obscure geographic landmarks, and lines from speeches made by foreign leaders. It was clear from the way they were written that the author expected his audience to be familiar with all of this to the point that he could mention them in passing without offering any explanation as to how they were related or what significance they held.

This is in stark contrast to current reporting on the Palestinian conflict and to a lesser degree the war in Ukraine. Journalists rarely mention details in such a way and when they do they offer much more context, assuming the reader is unfamiliar with much of what is being discussed. Of course, they're not wrong in that assessment but I do wonder how much of that has to do with the public being slowly conditioned to expect simplicity in reporting. These articles often read more like a political interpretation than a description of events. Nuance and the expectation of sustained interest in the subject seems almost entirely absent.

[–] jungle 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

During my relatively long life I've witnessed journalism morph from giving information to forming opinion. Sometimes they do it openly, sometimes they try to pass it as the context you mention.

I believe context is necessary now because of how fragmented people's attention is. We used to have 5 tv channels and two main newspapers and that was it. It was easier to keep the focus and remember the context back then.

Or, rather, we were all inside the same information bubble. Now everyone is in their own bubble, and there's no more common understanding of reality.

This conflict makes it super clear, because of its complexity and long history, that people don't have the time or bandwidth to understand the whole thing and end up repeating what they hear inside their bubble.

For example: your opinion is largely influenced by your location and your own history, much more than by the facts of the conflict. I come from Argentina, where most people support Israel, and I live in Ireland, where most people support the Palestinians. There's understandable reasons for that. Argentina suffered two Islamic terrorist attacks against local Jewish institutions, while Irish people identify with Palestinians because of the British oppression.

I personally live in my own bubble of course, we all do. I know my opinion is heavily influenced by my own history.

As a consequence I end up getting involved in online discussions where I argue for nuance and against simplification, but that just puts me on the "wrong side" of both "sides". So for my own mental health I've been trying to stop participating. I only wanted to chime in here because your comment seemed to capture some of what I think.

[–] krashmo 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I know exactly what you mean about being on the wrong side of both sides. In the US our two political parties are so ingrained in culture that people feel like they can't disagree on any subject without being cast out. I've always thought the idea that you would fall perfectly into one of two categories was asinine. That's led to me taking positions on many subjects that aren't extreme enough for the purists on either side. It's incredibly annoying because you can tell that for many of them the things they're saying aren't deeply held beliefs and yet they're defended as if they are. Really though, they're simply the dominant narrative in that person's bubble.

[–] TokenBoomer 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I just posted a video about this in the Breadtube community if you’re interested. It’s about being able to disagree without disrespecting.

[–] jungle 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)
[–] TokenBoomer -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] jungle 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Loved the video. Is that you?

[–] TokenBoomer -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I posted it. I am not Van Jones. He seems like a good guy though.

[–] jungle 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yep, I wish everyone thought like that.

[–] TokenBoomer -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Me too. It’s difficult though. The system is set up to make us compete with each other, splintering solidarity. I have to constantly remind myself that others aren’t enemies, but potential allies.

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[–] TokenBoomer -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Please participate. Your perspective is important. You’re referencing consensus reality and it is indeed disintegrating.

[–] TokenBoomer 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I’m here for comments like yours. Thanks.

[–] krashmo 2 points 1 year ago

Thanks! I'm glad you found it interesting. It's sometimes hard to know if other people enjoy what I write or if I'm just rambling into the void for no reason.