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“No one is looking at us or the extent of this disaster or the crimes that we are experiencing in Gaza,” he said. Still holding his microphone, he slid off his flak jacket marked with the word PRESS and unstrapped his helmet.

“These protection jackets and helmets don't protect us,” he said, flinging the equipment to the ground. “Nothing protects journalists. ... We lose our lives for no reason.”

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[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Radical kindness will specifically tell Hamas "yes, brutal terrorist attacks work, keep doing them". That is unfortunately not an option. It's also just a fantasy because it would understandably never be supported by Israeli population for this reason.

I'm interested in seeing alternative solutions that could actually work and be realistically implemented, but outside of understandable positions like "ease off with the fucking bombing and do more work on the ground" that don't change the goal of what is being done I have not seen any.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This reads like "we don't care about the hostages or their families. We must complete our noble work of eradication of the people we deem "hostile." Also anyone that gets in our way is fully excusable and at fault for their own death by being around where we decide to kill." Do you even possess empathy for anyone you don't directly support? Wild.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It’s naive to say that kindness is going to stop violence from a group who in their founding charter call for the death of the opposing group. Hanas isn’t a good faith group and no amount of kindness will change that.

Any solution that will be durable requires that Hanna’s is not a part of it.

[–] cogman 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sure, this is why the American Britain war is still waged today. It's also why France has been relentlessly attacking England. And obviously, the British bombing of Ireland is what ended the IRA.

Besides peace, genocide is the only way to end Hamas. And that's what you are cheering for. Israel is creating the next generation of terrorists by terrorizing the Palestinians.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Fundamentally it comes down to who is more at fault for the death of a human shield, the one who is using the human shield or the one who is attacking.

Clearly Hamas is more at fault. If you want peace tell Hamas to surrender and return the hostages.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How does "clearly" go against all societal norms in your mind? You seemingly know nothing about hostage negotiation, popular culture or just being human. Wolf Blitzer is more human than you. Think on that.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can we refrain from calling people subhuman? It is really not a good look.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You think being less human than wolf blitzer makes you subhuman? Tell me what do you consider Palestinian civilians to justify their treatment? How does your heart not bleed for them compassionate one?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think telling anybody that they know nothing about being human and saying some random person is more human than them is wrong, and given the context, frightening. The guy you said that to made two comments. Two. What did he say specifically that provoked such a response? I’d hope your heart bleeds for all innocent life lost. Palestine elected a group to lead them that specifically calls for the eradication of Jews, of course there’s going to be civilian deaths.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

lol, sure you do. /s

He justified killing human shields, which is incontrovertibly incorrect.

You dont like it? Take it up with Obama: "Nobody’s hands are clean’: Obama urges reflection amid Israel-Hamas conflict"

How do you feel about killing hostages or human shields? Because I may also be questioning your humanity shortly based on that answer. If you think that response is worse than the stakes of whats being discussed I would say that's very telling.

Unironically, thanks Obama.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I’m not justifying either- I’m just saying that Hamas is the responsible party

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you say Hamas is responsible after Israel kills the hostage/civilian, then your bias is clear. Here, If you'd like to hear a different take try this Mother Jones article. I find the expert within to articulate this point well.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It’s an interesting article, but it’s not an exhaustive look at the situation. Look buddy- the article is from the point of an American, and proscribes American actions that should be taken. While that is interesting, it doesn’t touch nearly at all on what the current parties should do (vis a vis Hamas and Israel) and it doesn’t apply ANY scrutiny to Hamas or suggest any actions they should take.

It’s not that it’s not an insightful piece, but it’s POV is limited, and can’t be applied generally.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Hey, if that's your opinion of it then I won't fault you for it. Perhaps as an American it appeals more to me, as I still really enjoyed his perspective as a Palestine born and raised Christian who has spent his life advising and speaking on the topic.

Thanks for taking the chance and giving it a look. Not many people would, so please accept my apologies for the harsh words earlier.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

If the citizens of Gaza aren't offered anything better, why would they gamble what little they have on overthrowing the local oppressors? They don't really have anything to gain by overthrowing Hamas and trying to do so would be putting their lives and their families at risk. If Israel and the wider international community can offer them something better than life under Hamas and the Likud, they'd be much more likely to eschew Hamas' control.