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Share your unfiltered, unpopular gaming opinions and let's dive into some real discussions. If you come across a view you disagree with, feel free to (respectfully) defend your perspective. I don't want to see anyone say stuff like "we're all entitled to our own opinions." Let's pretend like gaming is a science and we are all award winning scientists.

My Unpopular Opinion:

I believe the criticism against battle royales is often unwarranted. Most complaints revolve around constant content updates, microtransactions, and toxic player communities

Many criticize the frequent content updates, often cosmetic, as overwhelming. However, it's optional, and no other industry receives flak for releasing more. I've never seen anyone complain about too many Lays or coke flavors.

Pay-to-win concerns are mostly outdated; microtransactions are often for cosmetics. If you don't have the self control to not buy a purple glittery gun, then I'm glad you don't play the games anymore, but I don't think it makes the game bad.

The annoying player bases is the one I understand the most. I don't really have a point against this except that it's better to play with friends.

Overall I think battle royale games are pretty fun and rewarding. Some of my favorite gaming memories were playing stuff like apex legends late at night with friends or even playing minecraft hunger games with my cousins like 10 years ago. A long time ago I heard in a news segment that toy companies found out that people are willing to invest a lot of time and energy into winning ,if they know there will be a big reward at the end, and battle royales tap into that side of my brain.

This is just my opinion

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (10 children)

I've stopped advocating for PC gaming after about 15 years of being a PC enthusiast. It's just too expensive these days. I think the Steam Deck is a good entry point, but not everyone wants a handheld console. I can 100% respect anyone who looks at the price of a gaming PC and just picks up a Playstation/Xbox for $500 instead.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

What do you mean too expensive? While the higher-end GPUs are still ridiculous, you can find something like the 6650XT for ~$200 and that is more than enough for 1080p gaming. Meanwhile SSDs and RAM are at an all-time low price because of how cheap NAND flash is. Throw in a previous gen Ryzen 5 or i5 for ~$100 and you could easily build a competent gaming PC for $500. Plus you don't have to pay the $60/year tax for online and get access to Steam sales and mods. And torrents if you're into that.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It really depends on your expectations. Once you clarified that you meant parity with current consoles, I understood why you wrote what you did.

I'm almost the exact opposite of the PC princesses who can say with a straight face that running a new AAA release at anything less than high settings at 4K/120fps is "unplayable". I stopped watching/reading a lot of PC gaming content online because it kept making me feel bad about my system even though I'm very happy with its performance.

Like a lot of patient gamers, I'm also an older gamer, and I grew up with NES, C64, and ancient DOS games. I'm satisfied with medium settings at 1080/60fps, and anything more is gravy to me. I don't even own a 4K display. I'm happy to play on low settings at 720/30fps if the actual game is good. The parts in my system range from 13 to 5 years old, much of it bought secondhand.

The advantage of this compared to a console is that I can still try to run any PC game on my system, and I might be satisfied with the result; no-one can play a PS5 game on a PS3.

Starfield is the first game to be released that (looking at online performance videos) I consider probably not being worth trying to play on my setup. It'll run, but the performance will be miserable. If I was really keen to play it I might try to put up with it, but fortunately I'm not.

You could build a similar system to mine from secondhand parts for dirt cheap (under US$300, possibly even under US$200) although these days the price/performance sweet spot would be a few years newer.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I aim for mid tier, so something like $800-1200 if I built everything new. But I rarely tax my system. Here are my specs:

  • CPU: Ryzen 5600X - got on sale for <$150
  • GPU: RX 6650XT - ~$200 on sale
  • RAM: 16GB DDR4
  • monitor: 1440p @ 95Hz - ~$300 a few years ago (same can be had for $200-250 today)

I can play most games at reasonable framerates (40+ FPS, most >60) at 1440p. My system is about as good as a console, at least in overall experience (my screen is a foot from my face, so it looks better than 4k at 10x the distance).

I recently upgraded for ~$500, and before that was rocking a Ryzen 1700 (got for programming, not gaming) and GTX 960. I didn't upgrade because a specific game ran poorly, I upgraded because I wanted better non-gaming perf (compiling code, Wayland on my Linux system, etc).

My kids are just fine on my laptop with an AMD APU (3500U), and most of my most played games would work pretty well on that hardware.

[–] B0NK3RS 9 points 1 year ago

Initially I agreed with your statement but patient gamer and PC gaming go well together. I do think the idea of spending 1k or 2k plus is ridiculous and the high end stuff offers zero value for money though.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lol your unpopular opinion was so unpopular you got into a nice little chin wag with someone over if consoles can provide better graphical fidelity than a pc you can build for the same price.

I'm on your side though. I think the console has better specs to cost for just hardware. Steam sales (and humble bundles) will get my dollar significantly further than it ever will on a console. I bet dollars to donuts Dave The Diver will never be cheaper on Switch than Steam.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

It's always been said that consoles are a loss leader, as in the hardware is cheap because they make the money back on the game, right? Judging the overall cost on just the initial hardware expense is mad, because as you say getting PC games (through Steam sales, Humble Bundles, free game giveaways etc) is so much cheaper.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This. The price of graphics cards means my hobby is about to become super expensive for me; I bought a OneXFly, but that's because the Steam Deck won't play some of the games I play most often, and I had two RoG Ally systems fry themselves from some sort of quality control issues. I also have to buy a portable bluetooth keyboard and mouse combo since I'll be playing mostly games like OpenTTD and Stellaris.

People said consoles were dead. That innovative high-end phones are dead. That PC Gaming is dead.

I think they're going to survive, but by merging. PCs have a role that will keep them viable, but XR goggles are quickly making phone screens obsolete and I think (at least until/unless the economy recovers and/or capitalism finally dies) we're going to be relying a lot more on portable gaming PC phone hybrids in the future.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

IDK, mid tier GPUs like the 6650XT/7600 are pretty affordable at $200-300. That's about the same as they've always been. There was a crazy increase during COVID, but prices are now quite reasonable.

You can make PC gaming expensive, but it doesn't have to be. I spend about $200-300 on GPU, $100-200 on CPU, and upgrade the rest as infrequently as I can get away with. So something like $500-800 every 5-ish years, or $100-200/year. I probably save that much or more just on the cost of games.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

The last gen of GPUs was real bad on price, but it's gotten better. I'm still paying a little more for my PC parts than I would a current gen console, but I always more than make up for it with lower prices on games and accessories, no online access fees, etc.

My concern with PC gaming right now is that it's starting to look like a midrange PC won't get you 60fps anymore, and sub-60 is generally a dealbreaker for me. Maybe it would have been easier if I'd grown up during the fifth console gen when 15fps was common, but 60 was the standard for my consoles for years.

This year it was like every other big PC release was Crysis, and now I gotta wait until my PC is a gen ahead to run them how I want. At least that keeps me on the patient gamer path?

[–] caut_R 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Surprising how this is actually mildly unpopular, but I agree with you! You just get a more convenient and better experience (relative to the investment, I mean) from consoles nowadays, and you can resell the games if you bought a physical copy. I don‘t think PC gaming is dead, but consoles have the edge for now. Personally, I have a PC and a Switch, haven‘t had a „big“ console since the PS2 but I agree.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

PC gaming is way cheaper for me. It has a higher upfront cost (like $1k to get started), but if you buy last gen hardware (e.g. I just bought a 6650XT for a little over $200) and stay around the middle, you can get fantastic value long term.

Since you're sitting close to a screen, you don't need 4k and 1440p will probably provide a better overall experience than couch gaming @ 4k anyway. So you don't need to match consoles in GPU performance, you just need to match them in overall experience. Upgrade every 5 years or so for $500, and you'll always have a pretty decent, mid tier setup that'll rival consoles in performance.

So yeah, $500-800 every five years keeps you at or a little above consoles in terms of performance. And games are cheaper (assuming you're a patient gamer) and don't lose compatibility when you upgrade, so PC should be cheaper long term.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

That one talks so much around the compatibility of gaming and regular parts, how laptops and smartphones are so much more popular now for non gamers, and fetishism about how expensive everything is.

Gaming on PC used to be just buying a graphics card and putting on your regular computer, maybe upgrading the PSU, now although a low end graphics card on a regular desktop can give you pretty good results, most people don't have desktops, and notebooks are getting less and less modular.

I also blame how the community seems proud of spending a lot and getting diminishing results. The market sees how people are spending irresponsibily and know they can raise the price as much as they want.

At the end of the day, gaming on a PC ends up cheaper because you own everything, and a good computer makes your life so much easier outside of ganing. When on console, you are kind of forced to play by the company's rule, at least if you don't buy everything on the diminishing returns region instead of the cxb region.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Agreed. I am pretty frugal and PC gaming ends up way cheaper than console gaming. I have a Switch and a PC, and just getting the console and 10 games or so is the same price as building a PC. You can get a lot of bang for <$1k. Here's a rough price list:

  • CPU - $150-250 - 7600 or similar
  • GPU - $200-300 - 6650 or 7600
  • motherboard + RAM - $200 - DDR5 platform
  • PSU - $100 - >600W Gold or better from decent brand
  • case $50-100
  • drive - $50-100 - 1TB NVMe
  • keyboard+mouse - $100
  • monitor - $200-300 - 1440p 27" or high refresh 24"

This gets you a high quality setup on a modern, upgradable platform for $1000-1300. You could drop this down to $800 or so and still play most modern games at 1080/60.

I recently upgraded my PC and only needed the first two (Ryzen 1700 + GTX 960 to Ryzen 5600x + RX 6650XT) and spent $400-500. I had the PC unchanged for 5 years (spent ~$800 in 2017 for CPU, mobo, GPU, and case; reused the rest), then spent about the price of a new console to bring it mostly up to date.

Games are much cheaper on PC. Since I'm a patient gamer, I can get most AAAs for $10-20 on a typical sale about 2 years after launch, or $5 if it's in a bundle. On console, I'd probably spend $20-40 used. I also don't lose my games or peripherals when I upgrade my hardware, and I can use my PC for tons of other stuff.

So PC is still way cheaper for me. Then again, I buy lots of older games, not a handful of newer games, and I'm in it for the long term (I'm married with kids, so I have plenty of space and don't plan to move).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ah Yes $500 plus $70 a year plus a library that won't work on the new one in a couple years plus more expensive periferals is definitely much cheaper than a used PC

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

you're comparing the ~~most premium~~ priciest possible console experience with the cheapest way to play pc games, they can get used consoles as well, and just like pc they get discounts on old games, not to mention that secondhand games are a thing on console,

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Online play is premium? I know this generation does have backwards compatibility but what about the next one? Your used games won't work when you do decide to upgrade.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

My bad, premium as in pricy