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Ah yes, the thing that already is heavily discouraged and doesn't happen (unless illegally, which is a whole other issue and has jack to do with your imaginary mob), and the thing that... The "woke mob" already believes in? Alrighty then.
The general consensus of the left nowadays seems to be equality of outcome rather than equality of opportunity, very big difference (eg diversity quotas and gender wage gap)
So in this scenario, what exactly is the equal outcome supposed to be exactly? Affording education? Being accepted into a job that you're qualified for in a diverse setting which is preferred scientifically considering workspaces and study groups benefit more from diversity of lived experience, background and origin? (Chicago Tufts University. "Racial Diversity Improves Group Decision Making In Unexpected Ways, According To Tufts University Research." ScienceDaily. ScienceDaily, 10 April 2006. )
Equal outcome would be for example getting picked for a job position over somebody who is better qualified because you belong to a minority group.
Does this actually happen as much as you claim it does or are some people pissy that the establishment they applied to decided, between equally qualified candidates, to pick the one that would add to their diversity? Or are you implying (I don't even need to ask if you're from the US) that most minorities only ever get a job/scholarship not because of their own efforts, but because they're receiving handouts and of course could never actually be qualified for anything?
Microsoft and Target do this, to name 2 big ones. They don't explicitly say so, but no respectable company will ever admit to discriminating against anyone and they're both proudly showing off how diverse they are.
Don't get me wrong, I personally don't have any issues with diversity, I have an issue with people getting places they shouldn't be because they are in a specific group. Whether that's an elitist white male group or a minority group, I believe all discrimination is wrong.
I understand your concern but trust me, if this situation happens ever, it happens incredibly rarely, especially with Walmart and Microsoft considering the thousands of applications they receive. At some point, you have a whole lot of highly qualified individuals, some from diverse backgrounds. The better choice for the company is to pick with diversity in mind through the top. It's just how it is scientifically, it's what benefits the company the most.
That being said nepotism is shit, Idiocracy is shit, but meritocracy is also very much, shit.
So to be clear, you're saying that Microsoft and Target hire people who are objectively unqualified for their roles, purely because they're minorities?
Because that's definitely bullshit and would be career suicide for anyone in charge of hiring.
That doesn't answer the question, which was whether these companies hire less qualified people over better qualified people due to diversity targets. You seem to assume they do, but where's the evidence?
If you have evidence of this, call a lawyer, because that's a slam-dunk case.
Removing diversity quotas and addressing the wage gap (which you seem to oppose, but it's probably because you're just listing trigger words) doesn't make for a meritocracy and it's been shown over and over again.
In controlled conditions, when someone is completely unable to know the gender, race or sexuality of the person they're judging, minorities have the same merit and are judged much the same as anyone else.
When you remove those conditions, suddenly, in a magical coincidence, straight white men just happen to think that other straight white men are the most qualified for the job.
On top of that, people who heard the words "diversity quotas" and assumed they knew everything about them tend to assume they're mandatory discrimination, then get upset.
They're not. Managers aren't saying "well unfortunately, all these hirely qualified men aren't eligible because the quota said, so we have to hire this black gay woman who turned up to the interview visibly drunk".
Any job tends to have a pool of candidates, any of whom are qualified. If you've genuinely been hiring on merit and have ended up with an all male team, that shouldn't be difficult to demonstrate when scrutinised.