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[–] [email protected] 24 points 11 months ago (4 children)

What if he'd hoped for 18000 spears? The total number of spears hoped for isnt stated, therefore we cannot assume that 6001 is exactly half of the total.

[–] Visstix 39 points 11 months ago

In this instance we can tell it's 6001 though.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

therefore we cannot assume that 6001 is exactly half of the total.

Correct, all we can deduce is the bounds:

Let x be the number of spears hoped for.

6000 < x/2 < 6002

12000 < x < 12004

Edit: fixed error

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Less than half and more than half imply strict inequality, so 6000 < x/2 < 6002, so 12001 <= x <= 12003

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

You're absolutely correct, it should be "<". Since he wished for such an odd number, I wouldn't constrain x to integers though. Maybe he wished for "more than twelve thousand spears"?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

Why would you need to assume? If 6000<50% AND 6002>50%, he wishes for 12002 spears.

Edit: dammit, that's a lot of spears.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You forgot a zero, but yeah. Also I think they're talking about the movie, not the meme. In the context of the meme we can safely assume he meant 12,002 spears. (Let's not assume fractional spears are a thing.)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

They are a thing, but I don't think anyone is hoping for those.

[–] LotrOrc 1 points 11 months ago

If it's the pointy end it could still be useful though

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Because the number you're reasoning about is the number of spears he wished for, not half the number he wished for, so mathematically, the logic holds for 3 different possible wished for integer values.

To arrive at precisely 12002 you need to make a further assumption which nobody has explained so far.

Also, a minor point, but that he wished for an integer number of spears is another assumption. Albeit a very reasonable seeming one, it's an assumption none the less. He could have wished for 12 thousand and π spears, for example. And no, I have no idea what you'd do with that ~14% of a spear.

If this were an SAT question, and upvotes correlated to what people were answering, well, the majority got this question wrong.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

They don't think it be like it is, but it do.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[–] cazsiel 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Anywhere between 6000.5 and 6001.5 could be exactly half the number of spears he was hoping for assuming he's hoping for whole spears.

[–] SaakoPaahtaa 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Imagine being the guy with half a spear

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

I sure hope he has the pointy half