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Server Hardware? (self.selfhosted)
submitted 1 year ago by goetzit to c/selfhosted
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Hey, I want to dip my feet into self-hosting, but i find the hardware side of things very daunting. I want to self host a Minecraft server (shocking, i know), and i’ve actually done this before both on my own PC and through server hosts. I’d like to run a Plex server as well (Jellyfin is champ now it sounds like? So maybe that instead), but I imagine the Minecraft server is going to be the much more intensive side of things, so if it can handle that, plex/jellyfin will be no issue.

The issue is, I can’t seem to find good resources on the hardware side of building a server. I’m finding it very difficult to “map out” what I need, I don’t want to skimp out and end up with something much less powerful than what I need, but i also don’t want to spend thousands of dollars on something extremely overkill. I looked through the sidebar, but it seems to mostly cover the software side of things. Are there any good resources on this?

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Cost and a personal bias, also I've seen more helpful communities amongst Linux and FOSS advocates than trying to deal with a big brand.

I've done a lot of IT stuff in my life, even before working in IT.

I've seen too many issues from big brands, and its usually caused by the company.

I have a Pi 2 from way back. I've thrown so many distros at that thing over time, and without fail I don't run into any problems I didn't personally create while learning or through human error.

I understand all too well that those big brands have support for businesses, warranties, etc. It makes them cost effective long term for business. At a personal level I just don't see the benefits outweighing the negatives.

Again, personal bias. Same core reason I avoid apple products, bias, though I mainly dislike apples cost combined with their closed off, well, everything.

[–] TCB13 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Yes but ARM is great but compared to server hardware it is shit when it comes to performance and reliability. If you come from server hardware and you really max it out you're going to have a poor experience.

Also I personally like to avoid the Raspberry Pi and their stuff as much as possible. They've done good things for the community however they've some predatory tactics and shenanigans that aren't cool. Here a few examples of what people usually fail to see:

  • Requires a special tool to flash. In the past it was all about getting a image and using etcher, dd or wtv to flash it into a card, now they're pushing people to use Raspberry Pi Imager. Without it you won't be able to easily disable telemetry and/or login via network out of the box;
  • Includes telemetry;
  • No alternative open Debian based OS such as Armbian (only the Ubuntu variant);
  • Raspberry Pi 5 finally has PCI. But instead of doing what was right they decided to include some proprietary bullshit connector that requires yet another board made by them. For those who are unware other SBC manufacturers simply include a standard PCI slot OR a standard NVME M2 slot. Both great option as hardware for them is common and cheap;
  • It is overpriced and behind times.

For what's worth the NanoPi M4 released in 2018 with a RK3399 already had a PCI interface, 4GB of RAM and whatnot and was cheaper than the Raspberry Pi 3 Model B+ from the same year that had Ethernet shared with the USB bus.

If you don't want those big brands (I only suggested them because they're cheap second hand) build something yourself on consumer hardware or pick a Chinese brand.

Those big brands are cheap though, for 100€ you can get an HP Mini with an i5 8th gen + 16GB of ram + 256GB NVME that obviously has a case, a LOT of I/O, PCI (m2) comes with a power adapter and more importantly it outperforms a RPi5 in all possible ways. Note that the RPi5 8GB of ram will cost you 80€ + case + power adapter + bullshit pci adapter + sd card + whatever else money grab.

Side not on alternative brands, HP mini units are reliable the BIOS is good and things work. Now the trendy MINISFORUM is cool however their BIOS come out of the factory with wired bugs and the hardware isn't as reliable - missing ESD protection on USB in some models and whatnot.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Performance isn't key. But I like performance, lol. I also wasn't aware of their more recent practices. So thank you.

I'll have to check out the HP mini. As I said, just barely scratched the surface on researching this, and its more of a thought than a project at the moment, lol.

I just can't afford (and cool) enterprise level stuff at home. It was free (to me) so no big loss other than buying a better CPU used ~50 bucks. I've spent more on worse ideas lol.

[–] TCB13 2 points 1 year ago

I was just trying to share a bit of my experience, I too have datacenter / server hardware experience and have dealt with a ton of mini computers and those ARMs and Chinese brands aren't what one usually expects at the most fundamental details.