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[–] K3zi4 35 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's just one of the culture war angles propagated by the rich to keep everyone angry with each other while they reap up as much of the world's wealth as possible before any of the forthcoming disasters- whether that is climate crisis migration, the next financial crisis, AI unemployment crisis, further war, food and water shortages worldwide, etc...

The writing is on the wall, a majority of people can see it too if you ask them, but unfortunately people can't help but get sucked in anyway. Probably because it's a distraction from facing the uncertain future we all have.

OR, this is just a tinfoil hat getting the better of me. It feels like a logical conclusion, so maybe that's the fallacy I've fallen for.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

No, you’re right. Between 2009 and 2011, both the left and the right had their popular class movements with Occupy Wall Street and the Tea Party. The risk of both sides coming together to attack the rich was too dangerous. Shortly after that we had Obama and other business and political leaders talking about “systemic racial discrimination.” Boy has that divided us. An incredibly effective tool to convince us idiots that race has ANYTHING to do with our differences. Poor people have far more in common with each other than they do with the rich. The trans issue has been injected to stoke the fires more, and everyone has been quick to jump on board.

You know what? If we’re too stupid to see through this obvious charade, maybe this is what we deserve.

[–] HandBreadedTools -3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Holy fuck you are so dense. Bringing up the tea party as a way of class solidarity? You are either lying or ignorant.

Please, learn about the shit you spew if you actually care, but I assume you don't since here you are spewing nonsense.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Not OP, but I don’t think they mean that the Tea Party was part of class solidarity, but more that it was a movement that was unorchestrated by the powers that be and could, if left unanswered, lead to threatening the status quo, aka super wealthy.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don’t know what you mean by “class solidarity,” but it was born in the fires of the 2008/2009 bank bailouts in which millions of ordinary people were wiped out financially while the financial institutions were given trillions of dollars. There was a lot of anger at the perception of crony capitalism and elites. The movement itself was grassroots and clearly feared by the powerful. You might not like the goals of the movement, but their anger was palpable, and at one point, something like 10% of the country identified with the movement. There was no way the rich and powerful could let ordinary citizens form such a powerful voting bloc.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

The tea party movement wasn't grassroots at that point as it was being funded almost entirely by billionaires and groups like Americans for Prosperity. What you're saying here is almost the exact opposite of reality.