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Yeah, "forced birth" is about not murdering babies. They aren't even children yet!
So, you're going to pay for them after they're born, right? Strong social services, universal education, food, and housing? You are ”pro life" and not just pro capital, right?
Why do lefties make this argument like its some gotcha?
I don't think anyone should be murdered, that doesn't mean I can or should take care of everyone. Its such a stupid argument to make if you actually think about it instead of just parrotting each other.
Because it's the logical conclusion of mainstream pro-life rhetoric. If one believes that all human life is sacred and must be protected, then it follows that they should want all humans to be safe and protected, not just the ones that are still gestating.
The reality is that, to many of us on the pro-choice side of the debate, pro-life seems to be more about punishing women than it does about protecting (future) children. At the very least, the way many of the pro-life policies are implemented cause direct and sometimes deadly harm to women.
In my mind, if abortion is murder, so is preventing life saving treatment for women. There are times when abortion is medically necessary to protect women's lives and we should allow them to make that choice for themselves.
A single look at republican climate policy tells you all you need to know. They children can go fuck themselves, they don't deserve a habitable world. Who cares that we are risking extinction?
By what standard? Nobody genuinely believes that the "logical conclusion" of the mainstream "don't murder homeless people" point of view must reasonably be a welfare state. Just because we don't kill people, doesn't mean they're entitled to welfare.
And what would you say is the over/under on the amount of women who die as a result? And what does that number look like as a ratio to the children killed by abortions? Because at least from the numbers I've seen, it seems like an entirely trivial ratio to be putting at the front of concern.
And you'll find overwhelming support for abortion in those cases. Just as I can't sucker punch some poor schmuck at the store and then just decide it was self defense because I wanted it to be, a medically necessary abortion actually has to be, well, medically necessary by some standards beyond "I want it to be".
Because to reiterate, there are vanishingly few people who oppose any and all abortions, including in medically necessary situations, especially once you exclude the pedants arguing that those situations aren't abortions by technicality, so therefore don't count when they say they oppose all abortions. This is also where those stupid "80% of people support abortion" propaganda pieces come from. Almost everyone supports some form of narrow allowance, at the minimum, for abortion.