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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But the Federation has no history with the Illyrians. The Illyrians weren't forced to live in Federation society. Their ancestors weren't enslaved by the Federation. Their planets weren't conquered by the Federation. As far as we know, they're not refugees who had to flee into Federation space.

It would be different if Illyrians had always been a group within the Federation. But they chose to go to the Federation with full knowledge of the Federation's laws. They have the choice to reject Federation membership if they wanted.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

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Not being citizens of the Federation does not allow Federation citizens to harass the Illyrians nor to threaten them.

And since the Federation and also the Star Fleet have an ideal of tolerance, IMHO it was a wise decision to ban augmentation (against the background of the Eugenic Wars) but to judge wisely if a single person really is a threat or not.

[–] bulbasaur 1 points 1 year ago

Actually, we shouldn't be tolerant of eugenicists. The writers did an awful thing making it seem like we should feel bad that eugenicists are being marginalized for choosing to practice eugenics. There is no neutral or positive eugenics and it's irresponsible to act like there could be

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

And since the Federation and also the Star Fleet have an ideal of tolerance, IMHO it was a wise decision to ban augmentation (against the background of the Eugenic Wars) but to judge wisely if a single person really is a threat or not.

I don't think they made the case that banning augmentation made sense just because there were some augments historically that were megalomaniac war lords. One thing that's always bothered me since I listened to Mission Log on TOS was how Star Trek was so sure that everyone always had to do things "the hard way" and always had to be striving to be more. The anti android, anti augment, anti too much automation all ties back to this in some way I think. But of course - this isn't really justified very well.