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[–] [email protected] 52 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (11 children)

[GPT-4] is fed, like, a line of text from some source, but with the last word missing. It guesses what the last word might be, and then it gets told whether or not it got it right so it can adjust its internal math.

GPT-4 cannot alter its weights once it has been trained so this is just factually wrong.

“It had to build, in its internal wirings and all its software neurons, some understanding of what an egg is - In other words, to get the next word right, it had to become intelligent. It’s quite a thought. It started with nothing. We jammed huge oceans of text through it, and it just wired itself into intelligence, just by being trained to do this one stupid thing.”

LLMs are really cool and very useful, don't get me wrong. But people get excited by what they seem to do and lose sight of what they actually can do. They are not intelligent. They create text based on inputs. That is not what intelligence is, unless you have an extremely dismal view of intelligence that humans are text creation machines with no thoughts, no feelings, no desires, no ability to plan... basically, no internal world at all.

An LLM is an algorithm, not an intelligence.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago (6 children)

The author is an imbecile if they haven't been able to break GPT. It took me less than one day of tooling around with it before I got it to say something which outed it as having no understanding of what we were discussing.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Adam Something uploaded a video starting with the definition of intelligence itself, and then explains how something that “acts” intelligent doesn’t mean it “is” intelligent.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (9 children)

I think even "intelligence" here is a stretch. In a very narrow sense, it is intelligent: it creates text, simulates conversations, answers questions. But that is not what intelligence is (and it is all LLMs can do).

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago (41 children)

GPT-4 cannot alter its weights once it has been trained so this is just factually wrong.

The bit you quoted is referring to training.

They are not intelligent. They create text based on inputs. That is not what intelligence is, unless you have an extremely dismal view of intelligence that humans are text creation machines with no thoughts, no feelings, no desires, no ability to plan... basically, no internal world at all.

Recent papers say otherwise.

The conclusion the author of that article comes to (LLMs can understand animal language) is.. problematic at the very least. I don't know how they expect that to happen.

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[–] Eheran 2 points 11 months ago (13 children)

It can come up with new solutions never seen before, so there is absolutely some intelligence. Hell, animals have to do the simplest shit to get called intelligent.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

are you not an algorithm?

perfected over thousands of years?

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[–] Bye 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It’s a state machine and so are we. If it can have the ability to alter itself the way we do, I don’t see how we are any different.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (6 children)

It can't; again the model does not and cannot change once it's been generated.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

And you really don't want it to either. That could cause all sorts of privacy issues if you accidentally include private information in the conversation - and as far as I have heard it is harder to remove information from LLMs than it is to "add" information to it.

Also Microsoft's Tay could adapt itself based on conversations and that went real well...

[–] BitSound 3 points 11 months ago

That's an architectural choice, there's nothing inherent to the approach that would prevent that from happening.

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