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‘Proportional representation will lead to better politics’, Labour conference told
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I support PR, but I remember telling people on the left about how PR would have meant UKIP getting a bunch of seats in 2015.
Suddenly, they weren't so keen on it.
Getting UKIP into parliament would have been great! First, the numpties who votes for them would feel represented. That is a good thing. Second, we could have ignored them instead of the tories feeling threatened by them to a point of swinging towards Brexit. Thirdly, their lack of platform (other than “EU bad”) would have been made public.
This is how extreme, fringe parties die - sunlight is the best disinfectant.
Well, quite.
Remember when Nick Griffin of the BNP went on Question Time? Obviously more extreme than UKIP, but after he got completely trounced, the BNP ceased to be a political force.
You don't defeat ideas by banning or "cancelling" or whatever. You do it by arguing the other side and highlighting the inadequacies of your opponent's ideas. Trying to silence them gives them more credence.
Yeah our UKIP is called One Nation in Australia and they have never gotten enough of the vote to wield any significant power.
Instead we got the Tories. FPTP has allowed a fascist government in. There is no getting away from that.
Err... It would have been a Con-UKIP coalition under PR.
Also, your argument for PR isn't going to be very successful if it's based purely on trying to keep a party out.
Also, don't go for the tedious "fascist" label. We're not on Twitter here.
No, UKIP-Con would not be a majority.
https://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/how-the-2019-election-results-could-have-looked-with-proportional-representation/
https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/how-would-parliament-look-under-proportional-representation
We are a liberal majority country. It is FPTP that gives us regressive right wing governments.
Same in the USA.
Yer I know, but I think we in the UK have more hope of sorting our system.
We've had a Conservative-ukip coalition since 2015. With PR the progressive parties would have had enough power to quickly nip the Conservatives insanity in the bud.
Leftie here
I'm for it, regardless