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Potentially this means that Fedora and CentOS stream do not get timely updates implemented in RHEL.

Canonical must be throwing a party, and I bet SUSE is not hating it either

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[–] pahakala 59 points 1 year ago (2 children)

systemd is one of the best things that has happened with linux. Instead of random shell scripts that work differently on each distro, now you have a single ini conf file for your service that configures automatic restarts, sandboxing and activation in a easy to use way.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I'm so confused as to why people hate systemd.

[–] Wr4ith 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I mean a core issue is that it doesn't adhere to the unix principle of do one thing and do it well. Aside from that it essentially creates a middle layer where things can happen without you really knowing it's happening. If you haven't I'd suggest running a couple of different init systems to see what I mean.

I'm ambivalent, I like systemd because it's convenient, but I also like openrc because it's simple.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Same here... I like it a lot.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't like systemd. Reasons:

  • broad scope and lots of dependencies are more or less the exact opposite design philosophy of *nix

  • putting too many eggs in one basket intrinsically increases the attack vector and also decreases stability

  • bloated

Most importantly:

  • Gives Red Hat i.e. IBM too much influence over Linux
[–] assa123 1 points 1 year ago

And with this news, that last point is what sold it to me

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They see all the other stuff that gets packaged under the systemd name and assume it's non-optional. While many distributions do, annoyingly, ship the auxiliary packages like resolved by default, they're not required if you just want to use the init system, and honestly they kind of strike me as an attempt to supplement or replace some of the incumbent components of your average distro.

Systemd-resolved can suck my whole grundle, though.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

@eltimablo @SmokeInFog @words_number @vegivamp @bigkahuna1986
"Systemd-resolved can suck my whole grundle, though."

Actual lol, and I agree. I've kinda learned to live with it and to most keep it out of the way, but seriously what a pain.

[–] pahakala 1 points 1 year ago

i see you have not tried to configure and debug dynamic split dns setups that are very common in enterprise vpn world.

before systemd-resolved you had to use dnsmasq running on localhost with bunch of shell scripts to reconfigure it when vpn interfaces come and go for split horizon dns to work propperly.

now with systemd-resolved you can easily tell it what dns prefixes are handeled by what dns server and everything is nicely cleaned up after vpn goes down.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

And I think it sped up booting a lot too by doing more in parallel.