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Wtf is up with people picking sides over this??? Can't we just agree that both sides are absolutely fucking awful and the ones who are gonna suffer are all the innocent people who are just trying to live their lives?
Scum like Shapiro already had an agenda to push. For him this isn't a tragedy, it's an opportunity.
I think the issue is that it IS both sides doing terrible stuff, but this is not a symmetrical war.
https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties
Asymmetrical, and Isreal has been doing their damndest to make it inevitable.
Yeah, ffs, if you want to fight a war, leave both side's kids out of it.
14 and younger is too early for anyone to die, I swear if that asshole Trump really is the Antichrist (look it up, I'm no Christian but the "Kek and Medjet" meme energy is strong with that theory) and the bible was right (and if so, that these really are the end times), I hope every last person who has willingly killed a child or ordered someone to kill children goes to the 10th circle of hell or whatever passes for it, no matter what god or concept they believe in. Especially Trump (see the Mexican immigrant kids who his illegal "task force" of bigots basically kidnapped and let starve) and Putin, but that's just the tip of the iceberg. Justice needs to be served for every child, whether they were enslaved on cocoa farms, working in slaughterhouses in the state that changed child labor laws, sent to juvenile detention for crimes they didn't commit because the judge was getting kick-backs from a corporate prison, or killed in school shootings.
People say we hate child abuse. I strongly suspect what people really hate is the feeling of disgust that enter their heads if they hear "sex" and "kids" in the same sentence, which would be understandable if it was genuine concern (nobody, especially kids, should be subject to sex against their will, and yes, kids cannot consent) but it's not. If it was, guns would be regulated, school bus routes would be required to never cross railroad tracks, and any leader - corporate or government - responsible for the intentional or negligent death of a child due to actions that used political/managerial authority would be executed.
I am so done with reality. Wake me up on November 12, if we're still around by then.
Brother I really hate to say it, but nobody is going anywhere when they die.
Also, what is on the 12th?
Nothing, but it's three days after the 7th Anniversary of Trump's election, hence the anti-Christ thing. I doubt Jesus will rise, but three days is long enough to safely say November 9th meant nothing.
Also, no hard feelings on the "no one's going anywhere when they die". I have a slight, possibly deluded hope that the afterlife is a dream you never wake up from, but despite that I'm no Q-Anon style idiot and I don't have a reason to think anything is special about 2023/11/09, especially if nothing happens.
I'm just saying, this thing in Gaza has awfully strange timing. If things are as deterministic as scientific evidence generally points towards, I would think December would be a more apt time for tempers to flare in that region due to food prices and religious holidays.
But all that said, even if the world is going to end, just as you said it doesn't mean there's an afterlife. I was instead implying the more likely bad scenario; Wake me up in three (or five? I'm not oblivious to unfortunate implications) days unless we're all dead then.
As for Trump, I don't care if it was just mysticism, the title of the Anti-Christ is also symbolic; The kind of awful person who looks appealing to idiots that is willing to do anything including killing children by starvation to feel like they "won" and never, ever take any blame are exactly the kind of person that even (the historical, I did say this is about symbolism and not religion) Yeshua of Nazareth would likely have been strongly against.
In other words, the Antichrist is anyone who leads sheeple to the slaughter and eats their corpses (figuratively speaking) instead of guiding people to be saved from roasting in their own wool during the summer by shearing off the excess (metaphorically, but yes, PETA lied to you about sheep and wool). Regardless of what a person like that leads people away from (humility, patience, rationality, morality, things that were or are commonly associated with organized religion, even if rationality is gone from modern churchgoers), it's the promise of "be superior to people you hate like me!" that makes this so insidious.
I might be vengeful but it's personal, never bigoted or generalist. I don't want Israel's adult population dead. At all. Nor is it ideal. Nor should the Hamas suffer no consequences either. And the kids on both sides should be spared, they didn't start this. I feel that, even if it will never happen, an example has to be made and should be made of hypocrisy; you can't be a nation of Holocaust refugees if you yourselves are trying to exterminate the children of an entire group. Is it right? Hell no, I should be killed for suggesting it. Is it justice? No. Will it send a message that killing kids is NEVER acceptable by ANYONE? That's the intent. I don't know if it would work but I'm angry enough that I want to see it happen, and my only hope is if it does, it's quick and painless, for the sake of the adults who did no wrong.
Don't side with me on this. To say anything else in ending this off would make me no better that Trump, Putin, Stalin and Hitler. It's not right to stir up hate, I just hope justice will be served or that the world ends within 72 hours.
I doubt the world will end in 3 days, but I enjoyed reading what you wrote and agree on pretty much most of what you said, scarily enough we actually write very similarly and hold quite a few of the same beliefs.
Because that would mean ambiguity and people don't like that. They want simple stories. Good guy here, bad guy there.
It’s a shit situation all around, there are no winners and no good guys in this fight.
We can do both. I think neither side has had the "moral high ground" from the very beginning of this conflict. For well over 100 years it's been both groups using the atrocity the other group has committed against them to justify their own atrocities in return.
But at the same time when you get to the very core of the issue it's palestine and the Arab population that were existing there first, and had the land forcibly colonised by the west despite the protests for the Arab league. Then had their minority and very recently migrated population steal their land to unilaterally declare independence.
Both sides are going about this the wrong way, but only one is also fighting for the wrong reasons.