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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Better off with a used pixel and grapheneos

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Poorly yes. Even though

  • no headphone jack
  • super expensive
  • damn huge
  • no SD card slot
  • no hardware switches
  • repairable? Idk
[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)
  • yeah no headphone jack is a bummer
  • a used pixel is cheaper than than
  • my pixel 5 seems pretty small, but idk what they are now or what that is so you're probably right
  • even bigger bummer than no headphone jack imo
  • I don't think those are that important, a piece of tape over the camera is fine imo
  • you're probably right there too, I wish fairphone could run grapheneos 😞
[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Fairphones have no secure element. The devs may be annoying, but what they dont do for a second is waste time.

Hmm, camera maybe but tape? Also microphone is not that easy. GPS, phone antennas and internet antennas are also way shadier

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Fairphone uses the latest snapdragon. Unless qualcomm messed up, their processors do support and have supported secure element for a while. What you probably meant was a dedicated secure element chip. That's present on tensor but not on most other smartphones.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Fairphone uses Qualcomm snapdragon chips but they don't use chips made for mobile phones, it's chips for industrial use they buy, so the secure element might be missing. The reason is: they are supported for way longer which allows fairphone such long update periods. The shortlist of other phonemakers who can do the same are the ones who design their own chips: Google, Samsung, Apple.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Qualcomm does list this chip for enterprise grade use and updates for multiple years to come on android. The block diagram has a box labelled security. If the chip was as insecure as people claim, it couldn't be used for biometrics much, if at all.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I wasn't meaning to fault the grapheneos devs, like you said it's fairphones fault for not making it possible 😞

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How is a security element wasting time?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Huh? GrapheneOS is not wasting time with features or supporting phones that are not secure to their standards (meaning basically impossible to hardware-crack, which is NOT everyones requirement)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I wish fairphone could run grapheneos

They get this request a lot, see this: https://github.com/GrapheneOS/os-issue-tracker/issues/1961

and this.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Yep, my point was shaking my fist at fairphone, not the grapheneos devs

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Add very shitty on-screen-fingerprint reader to that list...

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Yeah I really dont want to upgrade my pixel 5 for a 6 for many reasons but that is a big one

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Pixels are some of the cheapest phones

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Not in my experience? A new Pixel 8 costs like 800€, thats like 600€ more than I would consider appropriate for a phone. All these prices are made up

[–] royal_starfish 2 points 1 year ago

Pretty sure he meant cheapest used

A p7p used goes for around US$400 here

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Pixel 8 has full support from google until 2030. Know of any current phones going for under 800 bucks with anywhere near that support lifetime?

Also, the pixel 7a is supported until 2026 and is $500. Both prices are quite reasonable for a computing device you're going to carry around for at least the next three years.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

In this case a Pixel 8 is the only real option poorly. How can a phone just last 3 years from now on? Thats crazy...